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Rose. Why the hall not? If he played in NY or LA he would be in. If he is not allowed make him the standard. Don't measure up, buy a ticket like me. Waugh!
 

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Some of the best baseball players to ever put on a uniform will not get in due to the people who are doing the voting!! Barry Bonds should be in the HOF,he left my team to go to the Giants but as a fan im just looking at it as what his# where and if he was doing steriods why did nt the league suspend him or throw him out? Cause people came to see him hit and the league took the profits off it,same with A-ROD,Mcquier, and then the commisioner of that era gets in,go figure.
 

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Of all the great players in the HOF it's amazing Rivera was the first unanimous selection. Think about it, Aaron, Greg Maddux, Carlton, Seaver. There are many more that make you scratch your head. How could anyone not vote for Aaron? His numbers when he became eligible were in the stratosphere. Nine voters thought Henry Aaron wasn't worthy!

Larry Walker? That one threw me a curve...........
 

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Some of the best baseball players to ever put on a uniform will not get in due to the people who are doing the voting!! Barry Bonds should be in the HOF,he left my team to go to the Giants but as a fan im just looking at it as what his# where and if he was doing steriods why did nt the league suspend him or throw him out? Cause people came to see him hit and the league took the profits off it,same with A-ROD,Mcquier, and then the commisioner of that era gets in,go figure.
Yeah....don't care what Barry was taking there was about a six year period in his career where you could rarely sneak a fastball by him on the inside half. Lot of fun to see him turn on a pitch. He was as good a hitter as anyone I have seen in my life.

Mlb and everyone around the game knew what was going on despite what you hear. And it did not begin in the nineties......more like the late seventy's and early eighties. The results caused more and more to use and by the nineties Ped's were common as amphetamines in baseball. Canseco was telling the truth. (Even if he is a jerk) They needed the fans back after the strike and Ped's fueled the resurgence. I guess enshrinement means something to the players and their families, don't matter much to me. I love the game and will always remember a great player.
 

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Rose. Why the hall not? If he played in NY or LA he would be in. If he is not allowed make him the standard. Don't measure up, buy a ticket like me. Waugh!

I agree. If MLB is considering Bonds, Clemens, etc. they should consider re-instating Rose. It will be interesting to see if MLB considers Beltran, and any other of the Astros when their time comes.
 

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Well I guess if Babe Ruth is is in than the steroid guys should be considered. Ruth used beer and I know that beer enhances my ability to dance. Waugh!
 

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Yeah....don't care what Barry was taking there was about a six year period in his career where you could rarely sneak a fastball by him on the inside half. Lot of fun to see him turn on a pitch. He was as good a hitter as anyone I have seen in my life.

Mlb and everyone around the game knew what was going on despite what you hear. And it did not begin in the nineties......more like the late seventy's and early eighties.
Actually did start in the 70s and 80s....1870s and 80's! Pud Galvin was using monkey testosterone and was in MLB from 1875-92.

He is noted as the first player to use PEDs.

He was inducted into the HOF in 1965.
 

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Bonds and Clemens won t get in! unless a miracle happens the next 2 yrs. I had the fortune to talk to Chipper Jones and asked him about Bonds and he said he thought he was the best player he ever seen. Alot of sports writers don t like him due to his cockyness and the way he treated the media but i think it should be the eye test and if you go by that then him and Clemens are no doubters. How bout Joe Dimaggio took him 5 yrs to get in are you kidding me!! The guys who do this voting don t do what i think should be done, what are the guys # in his era what did you see when this guy played. Theres writers in Pgh who say they will never vote for Bonds and to me its a cop out saying cause he was a cheater. I guarantee you Bellicek will get in HOF and i think he should but whats the difference? And the excuse will be well thats different!
 

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How does anyone hold guys like Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF because they used roids? Steroids and sports go back to before we kept records weather you want to believe it or not.
Like Dukehunter3 said Pgh writers will say they wont vote for bonds, but if you ask them about the 70 steelers and the fact there team Dr. admitted to pioneering the steroid era in the NFL they don't want to take away the 4 trophies they got do they? is it about the integrity of the game or legality? NO GAME has integrity never has never will.
 

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Name someone in the HOF that used steroids as a performance enhancer. Than prove it and than we can talk about allowing someone in that used steroids.



Next tell me no one in the hall of fame bet on his own team while playing or managing a team. Anyone that would not bet on his own team should not be in the hall. Waugh!
 

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Name someone in the HOF that used steroids as a performance enhancer. Than prove it and than we can talk about allowing someone in that used steroids.



Next tell me no one in the hall of fame bet on his own team while playing or managing a team. Anyone that would not bet on his own team should not be in the hall. Waugh!
Pud Galvin used steroids as a PED and was inducted in 1965. It's proven by literature of the period in which he played.
 

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So he had a drink of some snake oil before ONE game. Like most elixirs of the time it was most likely just whiskey with spices and some castor oil.



Brown-Séquard was quite a controversial and eccentric figure, and is also known for self-reporting, at age 72, "rejuvenated sexual prowess after subcutaneous injection of extracts of monkey testis". Thousands of men tried the therapy. The endocrinologist Robert B. Greenblatt wrote that this therapy could not have possibly worked because, unlike the thyroid gland, the testes do not store the hormones they produce and, therefore, obtaining a therapeutic dose of testosterone directly from animal glands "would require about one-quarter ton of bull's testes."[6] The positive response by many men is now thought to have been a placebo effect, but apparently this was "sufficient to set the field of endocrinology off and running."


Sure he took it to improve his baseball game or the bedroom game. Waugh!
 

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I don't think Viagra is on the banned baseball list. Only PEDs that enhance performance on the field during baseball games. Waugh!
 

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So he had a drink of some snake oil before ONE game. Like most elixirs of the time it was most likely just whiskey with spices and some castor oil.



Brown-Séquard was quite a controversial and eccentric figure, and is also known for self-reporting, at age 72, "rejuvenated sexual prowess after subcutaneous injection of extracts of monkey testis". Thousands of men tried the therapy. The endocrinologist Robert B. Greenblatt wrote that this therapy could not have possibly worked because, unlike the thyroid gland, the testes do not store the hormones they produce and, therefore, obtaining a therapeutic dose of testosterone directly from animal glands "would require about one-quarter ton of bull's testes."[6] The positive response by many men is now thought to have been a placebo effect, but apparently this was "sufficient to set the field of endocrinology off and running."


Sure he took it to improve his baseball game or the bedroom game. Waugh!
Now Jim, he was known to drink the concoction on a regular basis. I do agree it probably had no effect on his performance (at least on the field:grin2:). But, he was still the first MLB player to use a PED...he would have had a "hot" test!
 

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Only place I found it mentioned it stated he used it before one game. But than again he died at the age of 45. Waugh!
 

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Another point to ponder is that cocaine was legal back than and in the original recipe for coke a cola. So maybe monkey junk was also legal. We can not judge the past on current standards nor should we judge the present on the past. It was not a banned PED at the time. There were no banned PEDs at the time. Waugh!
 

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Another point to ponder is that cocaine was legal back than and in the original recipe for coke a cola. So maybe monkey junk was also legal. We can not judge the past on current standards nor should we judge the present on the past. It was not a banned PED at the time. There were no banned PEDs at the time. Waugh!
I never claimed Pud's induction should be disallowed, merely stated he is the first known instance of what is now considered a banned substance (testosterone) in MLB. Granted, there is some question as to whether the form in which he was consuming it would even qualify under today's standards.

I suspect there were many cases of PEDs down through the ages, long before the 1970's. Some that even improved results on the field.
 
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