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I've actually seen that industry funded infomercial. I found it laughable that anyone would buy the setup.


"An excerpt from Truthland shows Shelly examining a well casing on-site with a former Pennsylvania DEP employee, who describes its safety features: “Multiple layers of protection … You can see nothing’s going to get in or out of this pipe.” Yet this is exactly what occurred. WPX’s improperly cased wells on the Depue property are now being cited in a lawsuit brought by the neighbors affected, who are currently receiving drinking water from the gas drillers. It’s not known whether the Depues’ water has been harmed by the casing leaks."

http://blog.littlesis.org/2012/06/13/fra...ical-ad-agency/
 

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I enjoyed the part about Dimock.......

Didn't care for the format they used, but they did show that the majority of what was in Gasland was far from the truth.
 

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g17 said:
I've actually seen that industry funded infomercial.
You mean kinda like gasland was from the Anti side.......The antis were pretty proud of that film and it's false information.
They were pretty eager to take their dog a pony show to Dimock last year also........but don't seem to eager to be around there after the EPA released there final results...........
 

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The website was created by Cheesapeake... Surprise , surprise...

Plus at the end they didn't state that the lovely glass of water was filtered......not direct from the well.
 

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Not sure what these guys are up too but i am directly influenced by the marcellus shale industry. At my current position we took on 8 new projects directly influenced by the industry. I am working 50 hr + workweeks to get it all done. A nice boost in pay with OT and a well needed lift for my company.

I do hate to see companies hiring out of state workers and such though.
 

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While I'm sure there are a few jobs in the industry available for locals, It appears in my part of Pa that the vast majority of these jobs are being performed by out of state workers. Additionally, it appears that some of the non-industry jobs in the area are being performed by the families of these out of state workers. I don't recall so many restaurant workers and clerks in the local stores having Texas accents in years past.

I'm sure the industry will help local business efforts, however conventional wisdom and history shows this is a boom and bust economic cycle. What happens down the road when the drilling is done and all the businesses that expanded to meet the needs of the industry find themselves unable to support themselves?
 

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I can (and have) only comment on what I see and know, firsthand about what gas explorations has done in the area where my camp is in 3A.

Some farmers have gotten windfalls in lease monies, royalties to follow if/when they get around to actually distributing the gas. Much still needs to be in the pipeline phases of the exploration.

Miniumum disturbances and adverse impacts to date, although there have been problems elsewhere in PA. Those companies operating in "my" area, have been very receptive to local inputs, both from residents and our twp. officials.

Noticeable employment of locals, whether they be contractors, welders, equipment owners or dump truck owners. Several local lads have been off working in the gas industry in the past three years, that I know of. One was back on the farm for a few months, is gone again to the gas industry.

Things have pretty much quieted down drilling-wise at the moment where camp is, but they'll be back again.

One relative that expanded his excavation business from four employees to around a dozen or more, when the drilling started, is now doing most of his work for the local pipeline company (Dominion), rather than with the drillers.

That pipeline company has been around them parts since I was a little feller. Through several different names over the years, but it's been there since the original gas exploration going back to the 30s, 40s and 50s. They're expanding their existing pipeline networks to accomodate the new drilling.

As for Texas accents at restuarants, if local people wanted those jobs when they became available, they'd have taken them? That's something that's always intrigued me about folks from out of the area taking jobs, that locals could've had? And it isn't a recent phenomena, either.

30-some years ago a couple relocated to Westfield, from an area not far from NYC. They took jobs as custodians at the local high school and retired a few years ago. They applied for the jobs, has some experience and were hired.

My understanding is that few locals applied and those that did, didn't get past the interview process.
 

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So what's everyone's take on this article?? Are to jobs there or only for the Texas boys and "legal" workers...

http://canon-mcmillan.patch.com/articles/why-aren-t-there-more-marcellus-shale-jobs-for-pa-workers

Their website says they have offices in OK, Texas, and Michigan among other places. If they have work in another state (PA) and ask for employees to move there temporarily or work over the summer, where is the problem. That is a specialized industry that must be very mobile. Dawson or other geophysical companies are not going to relocate until they are sure there is enough work here. Not all companies in this industry use geophysical studies.
 

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I talk to many folks on sites in my area almost daily. A few hundred in the last couple years. Only a handful were locals.
 

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As a local business owner, I have found that apparently all locals who want to work, must have jobs....because it's still hard to find people who want to work.
I have job openings right now, but can't find people who are willing to work various shifts. They would rather collect unemployment or welfare.....so in my eyes, this busines has supplied more jobs than locals could keep up with.....there fore a need for out of area workers.
 

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buzz said:
As a local business owner, I have found that apparently all locals who want to work, must have jobs....because it's still hard to find people who want to work.
Have to get off the couch first.
 

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OneLongShot said:
The website was created by Cheesapeake... Surprise , surprise...

Plus at the end they didn't state that the lovely glass of water was filtered......not direct from the well.
Most homes on well water do have a filtration and/or softening systems. In fact it not very common not to.

Unless you meant something entirely different by saying "filtered".
 

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OneLongShot said:
The website was created by Cheesapeake... Surprise , surprise...

Plus at the end they didn't state that the lovely glass of water was filtered......not direct from the well.
Most homes on well water do have a filtration and/or softening systems. In fact it not very common not to.
Just out of curiosity, where does this "fact" come from? In my area, I'd have to say the opposite is true.
 

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"Water treatment equipment was installed on many of the
private wells, with 53 percent having at least one piece of
treatment equipment. MWON volunteers were only
slightly more likely to have treatment equipment compared
to homeowners. Well owners in the northeast region
of the state were significantly less likely to have water
treatment equipment compared to other regions of the
state; presumably because water hardness is much lower
in that region, decreasing the need for water softeners."

While not totally supporting of my statement, this is what I could find. Living in the North West about an hour north of Pittsburgh most of the people that I know who are on well water have softeners and or filters. In fact I am the only person that I know who does not. And I've lived in 2 places that didn't have a system. One place was a rental and we never drank the water due to the rotten egg smell, but it was plumbed for a rental system. Then my current house which is only about 2 miles away and we have great water. Which is bizarre to me as so many, even my neighbors have treatment systems. Those run the gamut from softeners, and filters under the sink, to some a few miles away with ultraviolet systems obviously for bacteria.

Here is the paper that I quoted:
http://www.rural.palegislature.us/drinking_water_quality.pdf
 

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Lets glorify the greed. It's okay to rape and plunder this beautiful state for the worship of the almighty dollar. Why don't we sell the whole state to the Texans and Mexicans? Since Pennsylvanians obviously don't appreciate the land anyway, they just appreciate dollars. What happens when larger areas start losing their drinking water? You can't see gas in water too easily this ain't oil. What happens when it harms or kills somebody? I guess it don't matter as long as people have that Chesapeake money in their pockets. They don't mind the facts that they sold their rights to their land to Texans.
 

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moose

if it was not for 'greed' you would not be here. also you are greedy too because you work to be paid, and every year you want more money to do the same job, is than not greed.

making a profit and then to maximize it is not evil, it's what give everyone who works a job. get of the class envy, if you did not earn it, it does not belong to you.
 
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