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MEMORANDUM



Posted:
January 26, 2015 02:59 PM

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Representative Jesse Topper

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All House members

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Re-introduction of "Road Killed Deer" - Prior HB 2442


In the near future, I will re-introduce legislation (prior HB 2442) that seeks to amend Title 34 (Game and Wildlife Code), and Title 75 (Vehicles) of the PA Consolidated Statutes to place in statute the responsibilities for removal of road killed deer from Commonwealth roadways.

It is my understanding that currently the responsibility for removal of road killed deer remaining on the roadway lies with the entity that controls the roadway in question, although there are no specific requirements in statute. For state controlled roadways, that entity is the PA Department of Transportation (PennDOT). For local or non-state roadways, the responsibility lies with the local municipality. Many municipalities will contract with a private company or individual to remove deer.

Strangely enough, the PA Game Commission (PGC) currently has no responsibility in this regard. However, the PGC does lend a hand at times to remove deer if they have the personnel available. With local and state budgets getting tighter and municipalities cutting spending, this is one function of government that has been cut in some areas of the state. Most constituents do not know who to call to report road killed deer, and there is even confusion among the state agencies on the issue. I believe it is finally time to define in statute whose responsibility it actually is to remove these deer from our roadways.

Under my legislation, the PGC would be responsible to remove road killed deer from all roadways except those under the jurisdiction of PennDOT within 48 hours of notification. For PennDOT controlled roadways, the responsibility would continue to lie with PennDOT, and they would be required to remove deer within 48 hours of notification. PennDOT would also be required to properly dispose of the carcasses under the guidance of the PGC. Local municipalities would then no longer have to deal with removal of road killed deer.

As elected officials, many of us receive calls and complaints about road killed deer not being picked up on a regular basis. I believe this proposal would once and for all properly address the problems and responsibilities related to dealing with road killed deer.

Please join me in cosponsoring this important piece of legislation.



Prior cosponsors: V. BROWN, CAUSER , COHEN , D. COSTA, FLECK , GINGRICH , McCARTER, MURT , READSHAW , SANKEY, WATSON , YOUNGBLOOD and DeLUCA

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/bill...pe=B&bn=428
 

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Maybe the PGC should be responsible for plowing the roads as well. And McDonald's and Burger King should pay for litter clean up.

 

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Well, I'm kind of on the fence with the entire isue I guess. I know it serves nobody very well, to have a stinking, bloated, rotting, animal in front of somebody's home, or apartment complex, etc... PGC "kind of" ? is tasked with looking after the rumens when they are on the hoof ? Can't necessarily kick 'em to the curb (pun) when they are off their hooves. Add to that, not all municipality law enforcement are equipped to perform the service. Not all have SUV's with racks, etc... I guess local road crews can pitch in, but don't they also have other tasks to perform.

All in all, I reckon I'm quite ok with the cat's proposal.
 

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Simple solution. If the PGC is responsible, appropriate tax dollars used for roadways in the different municipalities should be given to the game commission. The roadways and tax-paying drivers are the ones causing the issue, not the PGC, so they should fit the bill. After all, they put the road there. Or, maybe the costs should be billed to the insurance companies since their drivers cause the damage much like that of if a driver damages property. The total of the costs could be split amongst all companies that provide insurance to PA residents based on the number of insurers that they cover out of the total pool.
 

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Surprised that these legislators aren't trying to get the deer crossing signs moved to safer location..LOL
 

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Might be a job opportunity as the GC personnel usually aren't authorized overtime after 40 hours a week. Someone would have to work the weekends and holidays. If the GC personnel have to do it how big of an area would they cover ? 4-6 counties? Would be cheaper to have a contract with someone in each county for that work.
 

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47studebaker said:
Might be a job opportunity as the GC personnel usually aren't authorized overtime after 40 hours a week. Someone would have to work the weekends and holidays. If the GC personnel have to do it how big of an area would they cover ? 4-6 counties? Would be cheaper to have a contract with someone in each county for that work.
Not sure where you got the idea that theres no overtime after 40 hours a week. Nothing could be further from the truth. WCO's work weekends and holidays, Floating schedule and a bank of OT plus call outs and assigned ot.
 

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You don't get it, - when a deer is shot illegally, it is the property of the PA Game Commission. But when that same deer runs into the front end of your vehicle and does thousands of dollars of damage - it's not their deer!
You can't own something when it is convenient for you to do and then not own something if it does property damage or dies on someones property.
If you collect money for something, you should also be responsible for cleaning up after it, just like a farmer or a coal miner etc...
 

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PGC does not own the deer, they just manage their numbers with the use of hunters. The State of PA own the deer.
 

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Trail said:
You don't get it, - when a deer is shot illegally, it is the property of the PA Game Commission. But when that same deer runs into the front end of your vehicle and does thousands of dollars of damage - it's not their deer!
You can't own something when it is convenient for you to do and then not own something if it does property damage or dies on someones property.
If you collect money for something, you should also be responsible for cleaning up after it, just like a farmer or a coal miner etc...
When a deer is shot illegally it becomes evidence.

Wildlife is owned by all Commonwealth residents, it's such a simple concept I am surprised any sportsman doesnt know this.
 

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Trail said:
You don't get it, - when a deer is shot illegally, it is the property of the PA Game Commission. But when that same deer runs into the front end of your vehicle and does thousands of dollars of damage - it's not their deer!
You can't own something when it is convenient for you to do and then not own something if it does property damage or dies on someones property.
If you collect money for something, you should also be responsible for cleaning up after it, just like a farmer or a coal miner etc...
Deer are owned by the residents of the commonwealth. Deer laying on the sides of the road is no different than a bag of garbage or a semis lost re-tread. It is litter and should be handled as such.

The entity responsible for maintenance or the clearing of debris from any given roadway is where the responsibility lies.
 

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Some of the same politicians seeking to extract more money from PGC via increased PILT fees on SGLs, now want PGC to spend more money cleaning up roadkills. Anyone sense a theme there?

Our twp. created a mess several years ago by posting a large twp. owned wooded area next to a park, no hunting. They also brow beat the owner of the rest of that huge patch of woods to also post. There are plenty of deer living in those woods and were once kept somewhat under control by mostly bow hunters.

It is bisected by a very busy two lane road. So the number of roadkills has risen dramatically since the woods were posted.

Since our twp. decided that no hunting could take place there, let them (us) pay to have the roadkills picked up.

There are thousands of PADOT and municipal road workers in PA that are already taking care of our roads, roadway litter and other issues.

There are only a few hundred WCOs and PGC food/cover (SGL) employees combined and they already have plenty to do.
 

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I can stop and pick up a thrown can and recycle it, get cash back.

I can stop and pick up a McDonalds bag, throw it away, feel better about helping out.

I can stop and pick up a lost bungee strap, throw it in the truck, use it and save a few bucks next time I need one.

BUT

I can't stop and pick up, say, a 10pt roadkill, throw the junk on my carcass pile and keep the rack because it belongs to the PGC until I pay them for it IF they let me.

I am not in favor of the PGC being responsible for cleaning up roadkill, not by any small percentage BUT why is it that they own certain parts of that "rubbish" beside the road? That is where this whole fight becomes cloudy in my head and I know others have expressed the same confusion. You can't have it both ways.
 

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Everything has a reason for why it is done a certain way, including the retention of antlers from a RK deer without some form of "due process".

No way for a WCO to determine if the fairly fresh set of antlers in your possession are from a RK buck, or were gained as the result of an illegal kill - if you have no buck kill report on file for the buck that once wore those antlers.

Seems kinda easy for me to get a handle on, if viewed from that perspective?
 

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Poacher control.
Same reason you can pick up sheds but not the head and antlers from a buck found dead in the woods.
Every set of antlers requires a tag.
 
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