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Does anyone know for sure if I can carry in Ohio with a PENNSYLVANIA C.W.P.. I googled it and they said yes but the way things change anymore Im just being careful.
 

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Be aware in OH and some other states one must tell the office during a traffic stop if you are carrying and show your permit. Do not reach for your gun to show the officer, but closely follow their directions. I travel through many states quite often and I see a greater number of traffic cops in OH than most any of th other states I travel.

If you intend to carry out of state I highly recommend you investigate the state and local laws to assure you do not unknowingly break the law......
 

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you may be allowed to carry in certain states with a PA permit but you still have to abide their laws such as type of ammo and magazine restrictions. you can be carrying legally and still get busted for having the wrong ammo and mag size.
 

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I was told by the sheriff do not even transport a firearm thru Maryland, If they run your plates and see you have a ccw permit they will pull you over and search you car for it.
 

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there was an open carry pro gun rally in Erie yesterday. a lot of people had rifles slung over their shoulder, swat style thigh, holsters and vests...it just looked bad.
I think they did more harm than good.
take a look:


https://www.goerie.com/news/20190803/gun-rights-advocate-mass-shootings-are-a-person-issue


how about Sgt. Ghost rider and 2nd Lt. Fr3ak of the 111% militia...check out their photos. just wrong...portraying the wrong image of lawful gun owners.
 

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I was told by the sheriff do not even transport a firearm thru Maryland, If they run your plates and see you have a ccw permit they will pull you over and search you car for it.

cant search a vehicle with out probable cause or the owners permission !! dont consent, dont argue, let it happen and then Sue for civil rights violations.
 

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I was told by the sheriff do not even transport a firearm thru Maryland, If they run your plates and see you have a ccw permit they will pull you over and search you car for it.

you can "transport" through Maryland, but the gun and ammo have to be in separate areas of the vehicle. So you can't have it on you loaded or in your console loaded but you can "transport" through the state.
 

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cant search a vehicle with out probable cause or the owners permission !! dont consent, dont argue, let it happen and then Sue for civil rights violations.
Yep, that Sheriff was full of crap. Federal law allows you to transport an unloaded firearm that is out in a container out of reach through any state in the Union. I go to MD frequently to eat and I am always carrying. I have a PA LTC which means nothing in MD but I also have the cards identifying me as a retired officer and my current qualification card in my wallet. If I got stopped, I would tell them I am armed, show them my paperwork when they ask for it and keep my hands on the wheel until they told me otherwise. If they ask if they can search my vehicle I would say no, if they did I would not argue, I would sue the officer and the department after I got home.
 

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Woods Walker you may want to contact the Maryland Attorney Generals office and get clarification on the laws because Federal Law enforcement officers have trouble carrying in Maryland that's how strict they are... I would not want to see you getting a free trip to jail in Maryland...I have heard some crazy stories coming out of Maryland...
 

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I do not need a clarification of federal laws, and the MD Attorney General doesn't get to interpret federal law and or over ride it. This law was signed by President Reagan. While people have been prosecuted and even jailed this federal law was passed, upon appeal they were exonerated and some of them got a lot of money from the department or state that prosecuted them/ The synopsis below gives the gist of the law, which covers much more than interstate transportation.


Every state has a different set of laws in regard to how you may transport your guns. While traveling through heavily restricted states, the McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986 — an amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1986 — gives travelers a “safe passage” through restricted states if guns are unloaded and cased, or locked up, and kept inaccessible with the ammunition stored separately.

HARRY L. HOG AN
McClure-Volkmer
Amendments to the
Gun Control Act:
The McClure-Volkmer Amendments to Federal statutes controlling
firearms and ammunition (18 U.S. Code 921 et seq. and 26 U.S. Code
5801 et seq.) were signed into law by the President on May 19, 1986,
and in general will become effective on November 15, 1986. The culmination of a campaign pressed since 1979 by the National Rifle Association and other pro-gun groups, these amendments were fought
by gun control leaders in Congress as an attempt to "gut" the Gun
Control Act of 1968 (GCA). They are viewed by proponents, however, as needed reforms—to prevent law enforcement abuses and to
relieve gun buyers, owners and licensees from restrictions perceived
as irrelevant or needlessly onerous.
WHAT THEY MEAN
to YOU
The bill signed by the President differed from the one introduced in 1979
by Sen. James A. McClure (R., Idaho)
and Rep. Harold L. Volkmer (D.,
Missouri) and a number of cosponsors. It had undergone numerous
changes during lengthy consideration
by the Senate, over the course of several. Congresses, and had been further
modified in the House. The
alterations—many of which were
worked out through consultations between the principal Congressional
players and Executive Branch
officials—made the final product more
palatable to the bill's opponents. However, enactment was still seen as a
win for the National Rifle Association
and its allies.
How will the amendments affect
you as a private individual?
Interstate Purchase
If you ever need to buy a hunting
weapon—a rifle or shotgun—while
away from your home State, the new
law will make it possible. Previously,
the only legal out-of-State transfers
were long gun transfers made in a
State contiguous to one's home State,
provided both State legislatures had
enacted legislation specifically allowing it. Now you will be able to obtain one in any State as long as you
get it from a licensed dealer. However, the existing restriction on outof-State handgun purchase (or sale to
an out-of-Stater) remains in effect.
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Transport Through Jurisdictions with
Restrictive Laws
You will now be able to transport
any legally owned and carried gun, in
your automobile or other vehicle,
through a jurisdiction* with a law that
might otherwise prohibit you from
doing so, as long as you would not be
in violation of the laws of the place
you are traveling to. The gun, however, must be unloaded and inaccessible. A separate bill—passed after the
McClure-Volkmer bill was
cleared—specifies how the term 'Inaccessible" is to be interpreted.
Purchase of Ammunition
You will again be able to buy ammunition and components by "mail order." Also, since dealers will no longer
be required to keep records of ammunition sales (except in the case of
"armor-piercing" ammunition), and
since establishments that sell ammunition only (i.e., no firearms) will not be
required to be licensed, you may now
find ammunition carried by some
stores that were previously reluctant
to do so.
Transferring a Gun to a

Prohibited Person
As a private individual—i.e., someone not licensed to engage in the firearm business—you will now be
committing a Federal offense if you
sell or otherwise transfer a gun to any
person knowing or having reasonable
'cause to believe that that person is included in one of seven "high risk" categories enumerated in the statute: convicted felons, unlawful users of
controlled substances or addicts to
such substances, persons having been
adjudicated as mental defectives or
committed to a mental institution, and
so forth.
Relief from Legal Disabilities
Under the old law, of all people in
the prohibited person categories, only
convicted felons whose crime did not
involve use of a firearm or a violation
of the Gun Control Act could be
granted relief from the Act's sanctions
against shipment, receipt, and possession of firearms; and State expunction
proceedings did not erase Federal disabilities. Now, relief will be allowed
for all categories of persons with firearms disabilities, and there is no
longer a bar to relief for felons whose
crime involved a firearm or who violated the GCA.
Transfers by Collectors or
Casual Sellers
The GCA requires all persons "engaged in the business" of manufacturing, importing or dealing in firearms
to secure a license from the Secretary
of the Treasury. The amendments define "engaged in the business" as involving the "principal objective of
livelihood and profit." The qualification is designed to protect unlicensed
CRS REVIEW
September 1986
'Public Law 90-618
90th Congref*. H. R. 17735
October 22, 1968
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Srnat* and of u of th» thu Art
5TATE FIREARMS CONTROL ASSISTANCE
• Congr«t» hereby decUra th*t the purpose of thii till* apport to Federal, SUte, tad local Uw enforcement
r fight •fiiadt crime *nd rioleaee, tad it u oot the till* to plM* wiy undue or unneoMttry Federml rathe- d ao l«w-«biding eitittn* with rwpert to th« »cqui«- g? STAT. izn i, or uae of inarm* appropriate to tb« parpen of 12 STAT. in* tooting, Umt ahootiaf, pereo&al protection, or wit Mvitj, aod thai this title is not intended to ducouragv •i»ate ownership or UK of fire*rtns by law-abiding
, or provide for the imposition by Federal
rn or nquirenenu outer than thoae n»-
••tnt and effrctuate the provisions of this
United States Code, is amended p. at.
collectors, traders and casual sellers
from being charged with illegal
dealing.
Seizure and Forfeiture of Firearms
The forfeiture of firearms will be
limited to those "used or intended to
be used" in an alleged offense, to preclude the seizure of an entire collection. Further, forfeiture proceedings
must be started within 120 days of seizure and, if the gun owner prevails,
the court must award lawyer fees and
return his property.
Registration
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms may not prescribe any new
regulation requiring that licensee records be recorded at or transferred to
any governmental facility. Moreover,
any other additional requirement that
might create a system of registration
is prohibited.
Federal Crimes Committed with Guns
Under existing law, if you are convicted of committing a Federal "crime
of violence" while using or carrying a
gun, you are subject to a minimum enhancement penalty over and above
any sentence you receive for the underlying offense. The amendments expand the provision to cover "drug
trafficking" offenses and also provide
that if a machine gun or a silencer is
used in such instances, the enhancement penalty is doubled.
Machine Gun Freeze (Effective May
19, 1986)
It is now illegal for you to own or
transfer a machine gun that was not
lawfully manufactured and possessed
(by someone, if only the manufacturer) before the President signed the
amendments into law. In other words,
any machine gun that was registered
with the Secretary of the Treasury
and otherwise legally possessed on
May 19, 1986 continues to be legally
owned and may be transferred, in accordance with the provisions of the
National Firearms Act of 1934.
Intent Requirements, for
Conviction of Violation
Under existing law, in order to secure conviction for an offense against
the Act, the Government need only
demonstrate in most instances that
the person charged acted "knowingly." The amendments create a twocategory system of state-of-mind requirements, specifying that with
respect to a number of offenses—those that might be perceived as
less serious—it will be necessary to
show that the violation was done "willfully." Among the offenses subject to
the higher intent standard, which you
are most likely to commit if you are a
nonlicensee, are:
(1) unlicensed dealing,
(2) transport into your home State
of a handgun obtained from out of
State, and
(3) transfer of a gun to a person who
is from out of State.
How will the amendments affect
you as a licensee?
Sale of Long Guns to Non-residents
Under existing law, you can't sell a
firearm to a person from another
State. An exception is made for sale of
a rifle or shotgun to a person from a
State contiguous to your own if both
State legislatures have enacted laws
permitting it; and such a sale is subject to police notification and waiting
period requirements. The amendments will now permit you to sell a
long gun to an individual from any
State as long as the sale is legal in
both the place where it occurs and the
buyer's place of residence.
Government Inspections
Existing law allows Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF)
agents to inspect your records and inventory at all reasonable times. Under
the amendments, BATF will be restricted to one compliance inspection,
without notice, within any 12-month
period. Otherwise, inspections will be
restricted to those where the government has a warrant based on reasonable cause to believe that evidence of
a violation of law may be found upon
your premises, except in the course of
a criminal investigation of a person
other than the licensee or for tracing a
firearm.
Records and Reports
Records on the sale of ammunition
will no longer be required except in
the case of armor-piercing ammunition. If you sell a firearm transferred
from inventory to a personal collection
and held for a year, you will be required to keep only minimal records,
essentially the same as those now required in the case of a transfer by a licensed collector. Existing regulations
concerning reports required to be
made to BATF are incorporated into
the statute and no further reporting
requirements may be made that would
have the effect of transferring licensee
records, or information based thereon,
to any government facility.
Administrative Sanctions Against
Licensees
The government will no longer be
able to deny or revoke your license
upon charges in a criminal case if you
are acquitted or the case is terminated
other than upon the government's motion prior to trial. A revocation action
must take place within one year of the
filing of an indictment or information,
and all denials or revocations will be
subject to de novo judicial review.
Selling at Gun Shows
Presently, going strictly by the
statute, you are unable to sell firearms anywhere except on the premises specified on your license. The
amendments incorporate the current
BATF regulation allowing sale at temporary premises in connection with a
show or event sponsored by a recognized organization interested in guns
or gun use.
Importation
You will no longer be able to import
the barrels of guns which have been
designated as non-importable because
they failed to meet the "sporting purposes" criteria under existing law.
Harry L. Hogan is a specialist in
American national government. Government Division.
•As revised by P.L. 99-360, the provision's original reference to "interstate commerce" is deleted.
Despite a colloquy in House floor debate, which
appears to make clear that application of the revised provision is meant to be limited to interstate transport, opinion is divided as to the end
 
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You will now be able to transport
any legally owned and carried gun, in
your automobile or other vehicle,
through a jurisdiction* with a law that
might otherwise prohibit you from
doing so, as long as you would not be
in violation of the laws of the place
you are traveling to.


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Woods Walker you may want to contact the Maryland Attorney Generals office and get clarification on the laws because Federal Law enforcement officers have trouble carrying in Maryland that's how strict they are... I would not want to see you getting a free trip to jail in Maryland...I have heard some crazy stories coming out of Maryland...
When LEOSA came into being, many states had not informed their officers of the law or properly trained them in LEOSA. After a few false arrests, things have settled down. Maryland, NY, NJ, etc......do not get to pick and choose how they apply LEOSA.

If an active or retired officer meets the requirements for LEOSA, they are free to travel in any state. Yes, they must abide by magazine capacity, but there is an amendment to LEOSA to address this issue. The hollow point ammunition issue was addressed several years ago.

I've been in LE for 20+ years and I've been doing LEOSA certifications for quite a few years, so I am well versed in LEOSA. Can some rogue officer in some podunk, back water department mess with your day? Sure......but the department better be ready to pay a hefty settlement.

Years ago, I saw a case settled in favor of a LEOSA covered officer. In short, the judge threatened to hold all the higer ups in the department responsible for any more bad arrests and for failing to train their officers in LEOSA.
 

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they should simplify LEOSA....whats legal in your State should be legal in all 50 states when carrying under LEOSA. you didnt spend all those years in Law Enforcement for nothing !!
 

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you can "transport" through Maryland, but the gun and ammo have to be in separate areas of the vehicle. So you can't have it on you loaded or in your console loaded but you can "transport" through the state.
Yes you can transport thru maryland if the firearm is unloaded and separate, But The sheriff of Fayette co. told me if they see you have a CCW permit, they will search you vehicle until they find it then take it with them " For testing " to see if it was used in a crime. I just renewed my permit on june 17th. and thats exactly what he told me.
 

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cant search a vehicle with out probable cause or the owners permission !! dont consent, dont argue, let it happen and then Sue for civil rights violations.
i'm sorry but I feel the police would " come up " with a reason to search a vehicle, We are all honest sportsman on here I hope, but if they search your house Oh you have a flintlock isn't blackpower a explosive? ( bomb making material ) you reload so you have a scale to weight charges ( can be also used to weight drugs, Drug paraphernalia) Look he has a arsenal of weapons , and we found cash in his house, I hear it on the news all the time.
 

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i'm sorry but I feel the police would " come up " with a reason to search a vehicle, We are all honest sportsman on here I hope, but if they search your house Oh you have a flintlock isn't blackpower a explosive? ( bomb making material ) you reload so you have a scale to weight charges ( can be also used to weight drugs, Drug paraphernalia) Look he has a arsenal of weapons , and we found cash in his house, I hear it on the news all the time.
What that A-hole needs is a good law suit to show him he is not the law and he is supposed to follow the law. Perhaps after he looses his home and bank account he might learn. He can talk a good game but he will lose the game. You are easily sold a bill of goods by a man who should never be an elected official involved in law enforcement.
 
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