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we already have many laws in place to prevent this type of crime and all crimes. another law is not going to change what's happened. another law will not change what may happen in the future. we as a society need to send a message. a message that will deter or even prevent future crimes of this sort. gun control will not prevent this. punishment and preparedness is the solution that I am thinking of. I don't know if it will work. but I don't know of any other reasonable common sense option. string them up. this seems like desperate times.
 

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While I typically support ALL gun rights, I have to readjust my position and fully support the banning of assault rifles. I have yet to hear a logical reason of why the common, everyday citizen needs an AR-15 or an AK-47. I also have yet to read a news report of a valiant civilian saving the lives of 30 people with his assault rifle.
 

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be glad he used an ar instead of a bomb. many more would be dead.
 

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Oklahoma City is well remembered. However, that's happened once in that magnitude. Mass shootings are much more common and the people are no less dead for him using an assault rifle instead of a bomb. The point is, if the guy cannot purchase an assault rifle, his chances of killing close to 30 people greatly decreases. And please don't give me the knife debate because real life isn't a Friday the 13th movie. No one is walking into anywhere and killing 30 people with a butcher knife.
 

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I have yet to hear a logical reason of why the common, everyday citizen needs an AR-15 or an AK-47. I also have yet to read a news report of a valiant civilian saving the lives of 30 people with his assault rifle.
Its called the domino effect. Ban one type of firearm and then keep whittling away until you have them all banned. The true agenda of the anti-gun people.
 

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Like I said, I agree with gun ownership. However, I don't agree with normal civilians being able to walk around with a cabinet full of rifles similar to the ones our military personnel uses. Once again, where is the practical usage?
 

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ya and zero tolerence for guns sure worked for that school huh?
Snyder80 said:
Oklahoma City is well remembered. However, that's happened once in that magnitude. Mass shootings are much more common and the people are no less dead for him using an assault rifle instead of a bomb. The point is, if the guy cannot purchase an assault rifle, his chances of killing close to 30 people greatly decreases. And please don't give me the knife debate because real life isn't a Friday the 13th movie. No one is walking into anywhere and killing 30 people with a butcher knife.
 

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um, maybe to protect the citizens from goverment tyranny like the founding fathers intended? duh?
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Once again, where is the practical usage?
 

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Grandpap trapper said:
Snyder80 said:
I have yet to hear a logical reason of why the common, everyday citizen needs an AR-15 or an AK-47. I also have yet to read a news report of a valiant civilian saving the lives of 30 people with his assault rifle.
Its called the domino effect. Ban one type of firearm and then keep whittling away until you have them all banned. The true agenda of the anti-gun people.
thank you grandpap trapper, because that's what it's really all about.
 

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still conflicting reports on what was used some say rifle some say it was in the car? this is very confusing along with alot of other coincidences like both fathers of the co killer and the ct killer are to appear in front of congress over the libor scandle? whats that all about . something about the hungers games might have driven this idiot to shoot kids? remember any gun bans will be future not retroactive so its just a way to bandaid and problem. the problem is morality and it cant be legislated
 

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Actually, I am not even sure what an assault weapon is considered. Is it the semi-automatic shotguns we hunt with, the semi-automatic rifles they hunt with in other states? With my personal carry permit, I carry 7 rounds in the handgun plus 7 additional rounds in a clip. Is this an assault weapon? If I wanted to, I could carry an additonal three clips which make 35 rounds. Also, many people that don't know anything about firearms think we are carrying fully automatic weapons.
 

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An "assault weapon" would be ANYTHING that would be used to ASSAULT someone. Bats, hammers, crowbars, knives, 2 x 4s, belts, bare knuckles, wrenches, cars, axes, etc.

And what is this "I don't understand why anyone "needs" to have a semi auto rifle with a 30 round mag"?

Ridiculous.
 

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Like I said, I agree with gun ownership. However, I don't agree with normal civilians being able to walk around with a cabinet full of rifles similar to the ones our military personnel uses. Once again, where is the practical usage?
You sound like a bleeding heart hippie.........you know what, there may not be any practical usage in PA, but you can hunt with them in other states.......besides what does it matter if there is any practical usage? If I want to own one, it is my RIGHT as an American citizen.......if you let the gun grabbers get the "assault weapons" they will take it even further until they get everything..........

BTW, these "assault weapons" are not really assault weapons, I guess that is just a liberal scare tactic word, used to strike fear and panic into the hearts of people that are afraid of guns, and don't want to learn anything about them......

And, they are really not that similar to what soldiers carry, seeing as they arent fully automatic..........what would be the difference of someone carrying a 7600 pump with a 10 round clip around?? NONE AT ALL.........

The solution is as follows: let teachers concealed carry in the classroom, if they choose to do so, but first make them take and pass a proficiency test, so that it is known that they are competent, and can safely handle a firearm.......

Guess what, if Johnny wants to bring a gun to school, and start offing people, it is a lot more likely that he will be stopped by a teacher with a gun, than a teacher with no gun...........

I also think that anyone with a concealed carry permit should be able to carry on a college campus......thats a no brainer, you have people that are adult age, and possess a valid permit, no harm no foul.......

What these wacked out liberals have done is created a safe haven for people that want to do this type of thing......a school or somewhere with those restrictions, is the ideal place for someone like this to go in there and play shoot em' up.......they no that no one else there has a gun, and it will be quite some time before police, or someone with authority to enter the facility armed with a gun arrives......
 

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Gun free zones are traditional killing grounds. Lift the ban from law abiding citizens and these mass shootings will become less frequent.
 

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This MONSTER in Conn and the one in Colorado were out to kill someone, they would have used a brick if need be!!
I am also of the belief that they both showed signs of their intent but the signs were ignored due to apathy,relationships and/or P C NESS!
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Snyder80 said:
Oklahoma City is well remembered. However, that's happened once in that magnitude. Mass shootings are much more common and the people are no less dead for him using an assault rifle instead of a bomb. The point is, if the guy cannot purchase an assault rifle, his chances of killing close to 30 people greatly decreases. And please don't give me the knife debate because real life isn't a Friday the 13th movie. No one is walking into anywhere and killing 30 people with a butcher knife.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-20723910

NO, he didn't kill them all. However, someone with a knife and a little knowledge of what to do with it can make that happen really fast. There's a reason that knives are sometimes considered more dangerous than firearms to those who are in law enforcement. The 21-foot rule comes to mind (google it if you don't know what it is, you'll find plenty).

I will stay out of the fray on the whole gun control debate, but I'll offer this. I caught a clip of Diane Feinstein on Meet the Press saying she's introducing an assault weapons ban at the start of the next Congress. She does say there will be over 900 weapons exempted, whatever that means, but that it's going to specifically go after 10rd+ capacity magazines.

I do believe I'll get that AR I've been putting off for some other day while I got into pre-64 Winchesters recently. And a few magazines for it, too. I just bought 3 more magazines for my Glock 23 (Natchez has a good deal on them if anyone else is looking).

I work in a school district. I cannot use my concealed carry permit there, obviously. I will add to this debate that whatever does happen legislatively, if there is no serious discussion about how to better secure school buildings, nothing else that is done will mean a dang thing. Period. This guy shot his way through locked doors, from what I've read so far (although the reporting on this has been disgusting...sensationalized and loosely infused with actual facts). Most of those locked doors, I'll bet, were mostly made of glass (or there was a large portion of glass, at least). A few rounds of 223 into the glass and in he comes. A building I used to work in (actually SEVERAL) had the whole front entrance largely made of glass. It would NOT be hard to force entry for someone with the plan in mind that the CT perpetrator had.

Banning guns may feel good to folks, but if you abridge someone's rights and do nothing to actually secure schools, you've abridged rights to no practical effect, in my opinion.

Go to your local school district and LOOK at the entrances to the buildings. Then ask yourself, "If I was looney enough to want to go in there to kill people, could that entrance they have STOP or even DELAY me?" I will be you a dollar that the answer, if you're honest with yourself, is "NO." Schools simply weren't built that way.

I saw a speaker at a district I worked in long ago (10 years approximately) who was speaking immediately post 9/11 and also with respect to Columbine. He said, basically, that schools are not secured. They are easy targets, and we'll see more atrocities at schools if we don't do something about it. Guess what? He was right.
 

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Snyder80 said:
Like I said, I agree with gun ownership. However, I don't agree with normal civilians being able to walk around with a cabinet full of rifles similar to the ones our military personnel uses. Once again, where is the practical usage?
You sound like a bleeding heart hippie.........you know what, there may not be any practical usage in PA, but you can hunt with them in other states.......besides what does it matter if there is any practical usage? If I want to own one, it is my RIGHT as an American citizen.......if you let the gun grabbers get the "assault weapons" they will take it even further until they get everything..........

BTW, these "assault weapons" are not really assault weapons, I guess that is just a liberal scare tactic word, used to strike fear and panic into the hearts of people that are afraid of guns, and don't want to learn anything about them......

And, they are really not that similar to what soldiers carry, seeing as they arent fully automatic..........what would be the difference of someone carrying a 7600 pump with a 10 round clip around?? NONE AT ALL.........

The solution is as follows: let teachers concealed carry in the classroom, if they choose to do so, but first make them take and pass a proficiency test, so that it is known that they are competent, and can safely handle a firearm.......

Guess what, if Johnny wants to bring a gun to school, and start offing people, it is a lot more likely that he will be stopped by a teacher with a gun, than a teacher with no gun...........

I also think that anyone with a concealed carry permit should be able to carry on a college campus......thats a no brainer, you have people that are adult age, and possess a valid permit, no harm no foul.......

What these wacked out liberals have done is created a safe haven for people that want to do this type of thing......a school or somewhere with those restrictions, is the ideal place for someone like this to go in there and play shoot em' up.......they no that no one else there has a gun, and it will be quite some time before police, or someone with authority to enter the facility armed with a gun arrives......
I'm not a bleeding heart hippie but thanks for the insightful insult and a look into your mind. And the weapons used are in fact pretty close to what is used in the military. Just because it doesn't have a FULL-AUTO selection on it, doesn't make it in a completely different class of weapon. Secondly, if you really believe that a pump 7600 (which I own one of myself) isn't any different than an AR15 with a 30 round magazine or a 100 round drum, I suggest you and I get together sometime and I'll set up 50 watermelons at 25 yards and you can use the 7600 and I'll use the AR and we'll see who can shoot the most in a set amount of time. Up for it?
 

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Snyder80 said:
Buckshot1822 said:
Snyder80 said:
Like I said, I agree with gun ownership. However, I don't agree with normal civilians being able to walk around with a cabinet full of rifles similar to the ones our military personnel uses. Once again, where is the practical usage?
You sound like a bleeding heart hippie.........you know what, there may not be any practical usage in PA, but you can hunt with them in other states.......besides what does it matter if there is any practical usage? If I want to own one, it is my RIGHT as an American citizen.......if you let the gun grabbers get the "assault weapons" they will take it even further until they get everything..........

BTW, these "assault weapons" are not really assault weapons, I guess that is just a liberal scare tactic word, used to strike fear and panic into the hearts of people that are afraid of guns, and don't want to learn anything about them......

And, they are really not that similar to what soldiers carry, seeing as they arent fully automatic..........what would be the difference of someone carrying a 7600 pump with a 10 round clip around?? NONE AT ALL.........

The solution is as follows: let teachers concealed carry in the classroom, if they choose to do so, but first make them take and pass a proficiency test, so that it is known that they are competent, and can safely handle a firearm.......

Guess what, if Johnny wants to bring a gun to school, and start offing people, it is a lot more likely that he will be stopped by a teacher with a gun, than a teacher with no gun...........

I also think that anyone with a concealed carry permit should be able to carry on a college campus......thats a no brainer, you have people that are adult age, and possess a valid permit, no harm no foul.......

What these wacked out liberals have done is created a safe haven for people that want to do this type of thing......a school or somewhere with those restrictions, is the ideal place for someone like this to go in there and play shoot em' up.......they no that no one else there has a gun, and it will be quite some time before police, or someone with authority to enter the facility armed with a gun arrives......
I'm not a bleeding heart hippie but thanks for the insightful insult and a look into your mind. And the weapons used are in fact pretty close to what is used in the military. Just because it doesn't have a FULL-AUTO selection on it, doesn't make it in a completely different class of weapon. Secondly, if you really believe that a pump 7600 (which I own one of myself) isn't any different than an AR15 with a 30 round magazine or a 100 round drum, I suggest you and I get together sometime and I'll set up 50 watermelons at 25 yards and you can use the 7600 and I'll use the AR and we'll see who can shoot the most in a set amount of time. Up for it?
Absolutely.......they aren't really that much different....
 
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