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It looks like the BOC is going to approve the 3 week open season on cats. so if it gets final approval does that mean you will still need a guide lic. to help someone get a cat?
wouldn't it then be the same as driving bear or calling turkeys as you long as you also have a tag or had one and aren't carrying a gun?
 

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I believe the guide license is still intact but the intent is for those doing it commercially. That is something that the board may come to realize and revisit in the near future. Sometimes these things are overlooked initially but caught soon after
 

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i was just wondering because when the season was first started there was no guide lic. it wasn't until a few hound guys started helping guys that they realized they needed something. the first ones just said "guide lic." not bobcat guide lic..
once the season goes to 3 weeks there may not be too many left even doing it for money. most of the guys all got the lic at first just to be legal as you need it no matter if you charge or not.
 

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it may stay that way, but with over the counter tags they may just buy a tag to "participate" in the hunt..... not sure...nothing was mentioned at the mtgs today....we will all ahve to wait and see...maybe send a comment to the PGC and the commissioners
 

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Did any of the commissioners at the meeting mention how much input they got from frustrated hunters about the change in the season?
 

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As I underastand it, as long as me and my buddy both have bobcat permits we can hunt together. That ends whem one permit is used. The one with the used permit is done - period.

Anyone paying for a guide service still fall under the old rules.

Need to check my hard copy agenda to check the language [ hold on -
 

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Just had it all typed in and hit the wrong button - i am beat... sorry.


Basically if you are guiding comercially or noncommercially for elk or bobcat - yes - you need a permit.

To add confusion, I heard discussion on this saying that as long as two buddies had the proper license and permit - they could assist each other. However, as soon as one filled a permit - he was done and couldn't participate.

I can try to find out for you - might take a day or two.
 

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yeah i mean if you and i are both bear hunting and you shoot a bear you can stil drive bear for me. because you have a bear lic. even though you used your tag.
 

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snowshoe said:
Did any of the commissioners at the meeting mention how much input they got from frustrated hunters about the change in the season?
Anyone make the trip and testify against it for the reasons you have stated?
 

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The answer -

The guide permit will still be in place. If two hunters or trappers both have tags they can cooperate together. If one tags out then under the current law they would need a guide permit to do anything that meets the definition of guiding activity – T-58, section 147.902 Definitions- Guiding activity – (i) The act of assisting or conspiring to assist another person in any manner to hunt, trap, or otherwise take certain designated species of wildlife by locating, calling, or directing another person to the quarry.

The requirement does not apply to persons acting as a guardian of junior hunters as required by law.
 

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blue, where did you come up with the answer? how does it differ from hunting any other animals? not tring to argue just wondering?
 

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dpms said:
snowshoe said:
Did any of the commissioners at the meeting mention how much input they got from frustrated hunters about the change in the season?
Anyone make the trip and testify against it for the reasons you have stated?
a lot of us were emailing several commisioners and sent emails directed to the BOC expressing our concerns, through the link on the GC website. i believe thats why snowshoe is asking. but if driving 3.5 hours to talk for 5 min and say the same things that were communicated by email has more "clout" then maybe we will have to go next round.
 

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Emails and letters are important. Public testimony with all of the press and sportsmen in attendence can be vital as a good show of force on a issue will usually catch the attention of folks that were not aware that there was a concern with a proposal.

A few articles mentioning the concern can generate the additional buzz and mobilization that may be needed.

A good example is the junior bunny proposals. A big turnout from the beagle folks and orgs which opened many eyes and got the press.

Good luck. While I support the change as it proposed, discussion is good an any issue.
 

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blue, where did you come up with the answer? how does it differ from hunting any other animals? not tring to argue just wondering?
From a highly placed GC LE Official in Harrisburg. Rest assured - it is as accurate as it gets.

What region are you in? Send me a PM
 

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If I'm not mistaken, it was me he was talking to at great length about the permit as I had many questions and some concerns. I'd say if it passes in April, check with the WCO where you'll be setting your trap line to be sure of their opinion.

The answer I was given, tho I understand, still seems somewhat subjective to me.
 

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blue, pm sent.

Gal, i won't be trapping them. my one boy might and he is a junior so no need there. we run dogs over a 4 county area so i'll just get the permit rather than go on the whim of a local WCO. Its only $25. But i like to ask questions.
 

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Bobcat,

The rule for adults with jr. hunters was clear. Because a Jr hunter can't hunt alone, no permit is required.

The issue comes in when others set traps for a person, or participate in the hunt.
 

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gal,
yeah i know but it gets pretty nit picky when i can't even run a cat for my dad or my older boy with out a guide lic.
but like i said its $25. i'll buy it but i still don't see how it differs from deer or bear if your not charging. you can participate in those hunts after your tagged out.
 

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I agree, and am still debating the issue.

Here is the deal. You harvest your deer. Are you allowed to drive for your buddy with a gun? no.

So, you if you filled your permit, same thing. You can't "participate". You can go along, but you can't do anything, not even give direction, because that would be akin to using a radio to locate game.

I think we should be alowed to mentor someone else as long as we aren't getting any type of compensation.

Thats my beef as well, and I am going to continue to ask the BOC and PGC to amend the language in the bill in April.

I think if they amended the section and remove "or noncommercial" it would be acceptable.
 

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Gal.. you said....Here is the deal. You harvest your deer. Are you allowed to drive for your buddy with a gun? no.

So, you if you filled your permit, same thing. You can't "participate". You can go along, but you can't do anything, not even give direction, because that would be akin to using a radio to locate game.

I don't think it is the same thing. After you get your deer YOU CAN STILL HELP but with out a gun, but with the other (as I get what is on here) once you fill your permit, you CAN'T EVEN HELP even without a weapon. Is this not what I am reading for this post?
 
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