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Several caught moving over-sized construction equipment on Rt. 414 in Bradford County:

http://www.stargazette.com/article/20100...size+violations

Wondered if it was related to any gas well work, or just some local boys moving their stuff sans permits, as has been known to happen on occasion?

Years ago a farmboy cousin transported a 14x70 mobile home from a few miles over the line in NY, to it's new location in Tioga County, PA. Pulled it down the road with his Farmall diesel, was momentarily trailed by a NY Trooper.

Mr. Trooper decided that since the offending "wide load" was almost into PA, that it was not his problem, told cuz to never bring it back to NY again without permits.

No problem there, it's been resting down behind his house ever since and occupied by assorted offspring and other kinfolks.
 

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the company, taw, is actually from oklahoma. they have rented a lot in wysox, and got a po box# there.

they build well pads and ponds for the gas companys.

the john deere tractor had a "pan" behind it, it was a 4wd, dual wheel, articulating tractor . the 2 trucks were off road dump trucks, such as you would see in a stone quarry or large gravel pit.

i have no idea what they were thinking, but i'm sure they will think diff next time. this happened about 10 miles from me. my trucks passed them earlier in the day, they had made it 10 or 15 miles before they were stopped. i was told they drove them right through the town of towanda, and there voyage started somewhere near camptown.
 

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Figured as much, which is why I posted it for all to enjoy.



"Back in the day", I used to have a hard time even moving a rubber tired loader/hoe on the roads around here, without attracting too much attention from the local boys, so we finally got a registration plate for it.

Did once catch it for moving an IH/Drott loader down the road a bit. Told 'em they were gonna repave it later that year in the spring anyway, so why get all upset? My boss's response was to wait and see if the twp. needed us to bust open drifts with it again that winter, then remind 'em we ain't allowed on the road with 'er.

 

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so then..........you've always been a outlaw


is kinda funny that it's ok for a farmer to drive the same tractor down the road, but a hefty fine for others.

been one going by my shop every 1/2 hour for the past few days, hauling one of those BIG manure spreaders.

if you keep watch of "the dailey review' towanda,pa. you will see that lately it's been a weekly thing for those types of fines to be handed out.

i did have to wonder about the driver who was ticketed for not having a valid CDL license.........do you need a license to drive a unregistered vehicle on the road? i know that you can drive farm equipment on the roads when you are under the age of 16? not sure how that works
 

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Just another benefit to the local economy!! Did ya see that two of the driver that were fined were local fellas. Rome & Wysox??

I would think if the driver was engaged in farming he wouldn't need a licesne, however since this was a commercial operation he would need a CDL depending upon the class of vehicle. Just a guess on my part tho...
 

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yea, i saw that 2 were local.

heres somthing to ponder.

the DOT will write the ticket to the driver, they do have the option of writing the same ticket to the owner.
the reason they write the ticket to the driver is because if/when it goes to court. if they wrote only the owner, the owner could claim he did not tell the employee to drive that down the road, which then shifts the burdon to the employee. if the employee was not cited...case is tossed .

when it goes to court they have to prove "intent" or "willfull neglagance" (or some other big word) on the part of the owner, if they issue them a citation. it is obvious intent on the part of the driver so they know that will stick.

now the question

what if one of the out of state companys(or any company) doesn't pay the fine for the driver?
certainly would put a driver in a tough spot if he/she has to pay a $11,000 fine. especially if they were doing as instructed.

makes me think that employees need to be aware of the laws as well.
 

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Generally I would write moving violations to the driver Equipment violations to the company.

Buzz said:
the DOT will write the ticket to the driver, they do have the option of writing the same ticket to the owner.
the reason they write the ticket to the driver is because if/when it goes to court. if they wrote only the owner, the owner could claim he did not tell the employee to drive that down the road, which then shifts the burdon to the employee. if the employee was not cited...case is tossed .
if the case is tossed and witin the Statute of limitations A citation could be then issued to the driver.

I suppose that BOTH driver and owner could be cited as well and let the courts decide.

I've been out the business too long to make an intelligent call; so take my response with a grain!!
 

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timberdoodle said:
Generally I would write moving violations to the driver Equipment violations to the company.
seems the fair way, unfortunatly theres always a "catch' to things theese days
 

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I liked the one in the paper last week, covered bridge rd., burlington twp. Bradford Co. 1 truck and driver, some permit issues, also some tie down issues, and 41 TONS, yes you read that right, 41 TONS over weight. fine $25,000.00 driver taken to jail, truck impounded
 

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Why chase snowmobiles and four wheelers, those big rigs are easier to catch and the fines are a lot more.

I'm waiting to be stopped and getting a fine, when I drive my backhoe to my other property to push snow.
 

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I liked the one in the paper last week, covered bridge rd., burlington twp. Bradford Co. 1 truck and driver, some permit issues, also some tie down issues, and 41 TONS, yes you read that right, 41 TONS over weight. fine $25,000.00 driver taken to jail, truck impounded
covered bridge rd is a posted 10 ton road. if they didn't have a bond , in the truck, for that road, then the fines start fron 10 ton.
i heard it was hauling a crane, but i'm not positive on that.


should also point out that if he was off route, which he was, then his over size/weight permits were not valid.
 

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One of my Tioga kin told me last deer season, that the local cops have been busy all late summer and fall, hounding anyone that was hauling equipment in the area, regardless of whether it was local boys or gasmen.

He had one town cop follow his lowboy several miles out of town to his shop, just to see if he had a permit to lug a Cat hoe down that way. He said the cop was disappointed to see the load permitted from the previous job site, to the shop, then to another job the next day.

My cousin told him to stick around because he had lots of work lined up and expected to have lots of permits for him to look at, too.

 

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just found out the deal on the last one you posted denny.
driver was hauling a frack tank, they are the big square tank trailers that look kinda like a over sea's container, usally when they go down the road it looks like the back is on the ground while the front is up on the truck.

any way, the driver never folded down the hand rail on the tank. when theese tanks set on a job , you can climb on top to look in and see water levels, some have a safty railing that pops up, then folds down for transportation. it's usually made of 1" pipe.

the safty rail is what hit the bridge, and the wires.
 

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Sounds about right. Those things are hard on the eyes if you're used to seeing things goin' down the road that "look right".



Wonder if the news media will eventually tend to downplay such incidents related to the drilling, or milk them for all they're worth, as the work continues and such incidents increase just from the sheer volume of traffic?

Just read yesterday, that almost every paved state road within a few miles of my camp in Brookfield Twp. north of Rt. 49, has now been posted at 10 tons.
 

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i think the media will milk theese types of things. the rate they are handing theese fines out is pretty staggering. a lot of it stems from out of state contractors, who could do some of this stuff in texas or oklahoma, but are finding out the laws are differant here.

also ad the increase in posted 10 roads, people trying to learn the law . it gets confusing when the gas company post the bond, where do the copys of the bond go ? no one was sure for a while, but now the DOT has made it perfectly clear they want a copy in the truck if it's on that road.

top that off with the usual outlaws ( both local & out of area) who think they can just run under the radar or sneak it through.

i do believe that at the current rate, withen the month or two, the state should have a budget surplus as opposed to a deficet
 

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Kind of an "under the counter" Severance Tax?


Probably soon be more new police cruisers, fire trucks and twp. dump trucks, if this keeps up and Uncle Ed decides to share the spoils?
 

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I liked the one in the paper last week, covered bridge rd., burlington twp. Bradford Co. 1 truck and driver, some permit issues, also some tie down issues, and 41 TONS, yes you read that right, 41 TONS over weight. fine $25,000.00 driver taken to jail, truck impounded
Read an explanation of this one this morning. Apparently PSP has the discretion to file such charges if they deem the permits to have been invalid, so the weights were based on the premise that the original permits didn't exist.

Although the truck was actually "only" a few thousand pounds over the allowable weight on the permit, the Trooper calculated the fines as if no permit had ever been issued.
 

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i also found a little info about that incedent this morn. covered bridge rd and the road that connects to it are both gravel roads. from what i heard , there were 2 trucks stuck in the hill, the 3rd truck, the one that got the fine, backed his truck onto covered bridge road to get out of the way so they could get the other two trucks up the hill.
that is where he was parked when the cops showed up. even though he was only a trucks length on it, just getting out of the way, he was considered on the road without proper permit.
 
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