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You just don't get it man............
 

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Gun control has existed longer than I have. Where's the outrage over the infringement?
 

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Both those acts were/are very questionable in their constitutionality.
The argument was/is they did not prohibit ownership.

In 1934, it "effectively" prohibited ownership to all but the rich.

While your at it, you might as well add the 1986 law as well.
Same argument, did not "prohibit" because it allowed transfer of existing arms. It used the law of supply and demand to raise the prices to the point of making them unavailable to all but the wealthy.

ALL these laws "infringe" on the right to bear arms as they create barriers to the ownership. Barriers are an infringement.
 

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And let's not forget, they continue to chip at our right to bear arms. Give them an inch, they will take a mile. We have to hold on to our last vestiges of the 2nd Amendment.
 

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Moose, if you are willing to freely give away your rights, you are more than welcome to......

However, I do not wish to give mine away

Now, more than ever this gun control stuff is more likely to be taken to monumental places........there are a lot of people in power who won't be happy unless there are no guns at all......so why give a little, and allow them to put a ***** in our armor?? We need to stand together, in support of OUR rights as gun owners, not divided over some vague language, and weapons that YOU, and some others deem unnecessary......
 

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So what happens if there is a full ban on AR15 type weapons? Do you have to give yours up?
 

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If anyone cares about freedom and the foundations of this country, I suggest you get and read "The Federalist Papers".

It is not an easy read but neither is maintaining liberty and freedom.
 

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I should have added, that all those prior infringements have been used in the past to justify further infringements, and they are doing so again right now.

All the current restrictions have not reduced crime, nor will further restrictions.

Sorry to tell you, but you are no safer flying today than you were on 9/10/01. Weapons are on every flight. Some of the weapons on the flights AFTER 9/11/01 were prohibited and "scanned for BEFORE 9/11/01, yet the continue to make their way onto flights. Don't worry though, the "show" they call a "security check point" makes most passengers feel safer. In the end, apparently that is all that matters.
 

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Benjamin Franklin said it best.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges.
Benjamin Franklin

Moose I also see you have removed your location below your picture. If you are happy with the Gun laws in Canada good for you. But we here in the USA have the 2nd amendment to the constitution that most of us are not ready to trash because of the actions of a madman.
 

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We went through the gun control crap in Canada. It was the most non complied with criminal code law they ever brought in. Recently they removed the long gun registration but still have many draconian laws on the books. At least the Canadian government has refused to sign the UN treaty on small arms.
 

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Sorry Moose but your letting emotion overrule facts. I know what your saying and what you went thru and I am sorry for that. But at the same time you can not allow anymore feel good laws on the books. Use whats there and push for further mental health bills . A gun isnt going to kill anyone its who is behind it that kills. And as long as people look past that point and refuse to push the real issues the gun will be blamed more and more.
 

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*Moose said:
Violates their Second Amendment rights;

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/National+Firearms+Act+of+1934

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968?o=3986&qsrc=999



We've had gun control for decades. Yet you act like any new gun control measures violate the 2nd amendment. What gives?
I'm content with what were already living with and don't think we need anything further. Moose, the boy was not mentally stable. Passing gun laws to restrict you and I isn't going to change that. Mental Health reform might help some of these people and prevent further incidents. Moose, I am sorry for the pain you feel and your loss but I gotta agree to disagree with you on this. We don't need more gun laws, I will not surrender my right to defend myself and my family because others feel that they will be protected enough by law enforcent or the government, these entities can't protect us because there never called till the crime is committed and these wacko's always pick areas they know there won't be much resistance. If a person is epileptic and they have a siezure they lose their driver's license for 6 months for safety to prevent any harm to them or others while driving, after 6 months of being seizure free they can reobtain there license. Why can't there be a law where if you are being treated for mental illness you can't possess firearms or have firearms in your place of residence until 6 months after treatment for said illness is over and a Dr. has signed off. To me things like that make alot more sense than giving some anti-gun person a way to get their foot in the door to start chipping away at our rights.
 

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That's the kind of extremism that is just as bad as the other side. God, in the bible, affords everyone freewill. That should eliminate God being able to stop anyone with a weapon from hurting people. Regardless of location. Unless, of course we're all going to start bending the rules to suit the argument.
 

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And when God was allowed in schools the violence happened anyway. No anti-God rant here but the facts are facts.
 

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hornady said:
Benjamin Franklin said it best.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges.
Benjamin Franklin

Moose I also see you have removed your location below your picture. If you are happy with the Gun laws in Canada good for you. But we here in the USA have the 2nd amendment to the constitution that most of us are not ready to trash because of the actions of a madman.

That's because I never was from Canada. It started when someone accused me of being from Canada and I asked him what part I'm from. He then said southern Ontario and I decided to play along. I changed my location to Canada (with LOL following it) for exactly five hours. I've been on this site for four years for crying out loud you people (especially you John S) know darn well I'm not a Canadian. It was funny and I played along but now this is getting crazy. I've only ever been to Canada once.
 

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mfuff said:
And when God was allowed in schools the violence happened anyway. No anti-God rant here but the facts are facts.
Not like this. If we (the gun culture) would take all the time and money we invest into planning to kill people and we would put that time, thought, action, and energy into sharing Jesus and spreading the Gospel, we could get our country back.
 
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