Buffalo bore released a new line of 190 gr 30 30 rounds. I bought a box for bear season and never saw a bear so I used them for deer. I hit a 125lbs doe at 130-140 yards and was sadly disappointed, the bullet did put the deer down but didn't go through (bullet hit high shoulder). It makes me wonder if I did shoot a bear would it have given me the penetration I would have needed? Was this just a bad bullet or do they all need more juice? Anyone ever shoot these?