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Let me start off by saying this is a serious question....not just something to stir the pot or have folks start bashing the Gas industry

I was watching one of the news channels the other night and a politician was on there praising the drilling industry and tearing apart the nay sayers on drilling.
One of his primary staements was that the drilling in these "depression like" areas is creating a ton of local jobs on the rigs.
Is it actually creating jobs on the rigs and drilling sites or is it more of a chain reaction such as hotels, restuarants and other services.
The reason I ask is...I dontlive in a drilling county, but do have a camp in Tioga Co.
While up there over Memorial Day weekend, I noticed a lot of trucks with OK, TX and other mid west SW plates on them.
When I visited a site for a tour it seemed that almost of them moved here from other states but already worked for the drilling company.

Are there any HPA members who are from Pa, lived in Pa prior to the drilling and it has helped tremendously (and I dont mean the gas royalties or drilling rights payments)
I mean guys and gals that were unemployed and the Gas industry has put them back into making a solid living?

Thanks and again, please dont start bashing on this thread, I seriously would like good answers.
 

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Most of the benefit that I've seen or heard of has been the "chain reaction" you speak of. Restaurants, hotels, etc getting more business, as well as local industries (pipe manufacturing for example) that can supply the gas industry.

The down side to that "chain reaction" is that hotel room rates and rental rates have skyrocketed in some small pa towns, making rent darn near unaffordable for the locals. Hotel rates in Dubois where we hunt dear were almost twice what they charge at hotels here in Pittsburgh that are 20 minutes from the airport.

edit: spelling.
 

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I would say as the industry gets some years here you will see natural attrition and Pa residents will begin to replace and fall into the work force on the rigs....

A lot of support industry is using Pa workers...It is still new here been a way of life in Tx Ok La for a good number of years and around that machinery some experience would be beneficial...
 

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I am from Pa and I have a job in the gas industry, making 3 times the money, then if I got a job doing what I got my degree from penn state for. I have 8 guys on my crew, all from Pa. I would say most of the pre drilling work is from residents, and the drilling is from guys that have had training, and know how to do ut! When you are spending millions on 1 well, you are going to go with guys that have been doing it, and those are the guys from the south. But with more and more training, residents will get more and more drilling jobs. Don't believe what the tv or papers say; many many locals have great jobs and great pay now!
 

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Actually, most companies won't pay for your room if it is over 100 a night! I would say, hotels have dropped rates to make themselves available to the companies! I stay by the pittsburgh airport, with a king suite, 2 flat screens, and a jucuzzi in my room, and its 80 bucks! Tell me where you can get that anywhere else?
 

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I saw a map of the US the other day where counties that had higher than average employment gains were noted. The counties where drilling has been going gang busters, were among those counties with higher than average employment gains.

FWIW.

One of my customers here is from Bradford County. His dad runs a crane operating business. His dad, for 15 years, ran one crane. Now he runs 5. That means 4 other crane operators have jobs, and the attendent people to that operation.

My brother, a land surveyor, talks with a survyor in Wellsboro. Used to have one surveying crew. He now runs 4.

The number of triaxle dump trucks running the roads upstate is insane. They are helping to build well pads. Someone is driving those trucks.

Lets see, the gas companies last year wrote checks to landowners for over a BILLION dollars. That money is going to show up in people going out to eat more often, buying newer cars, maybe more toys, and other amenities. Someone is selling and servicing these items, thus,more jobs created.

It is such a simple economic principle, that it is a wonder that so few can understand it, but, when money flows into an area, wealth is created and jobs are a result.

The highest income areas in the US lie just outside Washington DC, and we all know how much money flows there. LOL
 

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Penn State did a pretty comprehensive study about the impact and it showed good job creation. I live in a drilling county and most of the job gains I see are support (trucks, road building, etc...)
 

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There are a TON of jobs going to local people. Both my Father-In-Law and my Brother-In-Law work for a fracking company. Half the town I grew up in is now working for the gas industry. There is no hotels there and very few other "chain reaction" businesses there. I have 2 close friends drilling, two more that work for supply companies for the wells, and my cousin just started with one of the pipeline companies. Everyone who has a CDL is now hauling water, sand, gravel, or stone for the gas companies. Here is a local article showing the economic inpact.

http://thedailyreview.com/news/data-rele...ounty-1.1134262
 

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I wonder how many of the Texas, and Oklahoma workers will actually become Pa Residents? Right now they are paying taxes to Pa and the local governments for working here too.
Our population can grow if all of these out of staters....relocate, which means more revenue for the state and local governments..
During the last bobcat season when I visited the Northern Tier I was amazed at the number of people in resturants, donut places, mini marts, gas stations. Sure looked like people stimulating the economy in the region. Also what made me like this was people were working.. No hand outs from Uncle or the state (Welfare) to nonworkers...
 

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They are estimating the increase of NEW residents to grow from anywhere from 50k to 150K in some of the north central counties. Its a good boom for some of those areas and I know that hotels all the way in Scranton and Wilkes Barre are full of drillers, etc that are working in Wyoming, Bradford and Susquehanna counties..... This is great for the local towns that were know only for their Meth labs and problems in the past. Many rock quarries, pipe guys, truckers, etc, etc ,etc are supporting their families and helping pay taxes for our govt to waste. It's a great thing as long as it is watched and kept safe........
 

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The initial "wave" of gas drilling workers a few years ago, were primarily people experienced in testing, site location/site prep and such things. Why? Because that's who is needed when new fields are being opened: Those with previous experience in those essential jobs.

That is why most came from TX, OK and other states where drilling has gone on for generations.

Didn't take long and local truckers, excavators and others with needed skills/equipment were being employed. Now there are needed skills being learned by locals, in many areas.

Makes sense, because there is a pool of labor in economically-depressed areas of rural PA, that can be trained to fill jobs, in areas where wells are being drilled.

I am not an expert on how drilling is affecting the economies in rural PA. Do know that many local businesses other than truckers and excavators have benefitted, such as restaurants, stores and the rental markets for housing. Some farmers that I know, have sold lots of old "mulch hay" for reseeding connected to drilling and pipeline work, for example.

Many workers came from other states, but when they're here working, they're spending money locally. Every day. So are local workers that now have jobs, where none existed before.
 

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Actually, most companies won't pay for your room if it is over 100 a night! I would say, hotels have dropped rates to make themselves available to the companies! I stay by the pittsburgh airport, with a king suite, 2 flat screens, and a jucuzzi in my room, and its 80 bucks! Tell me where you can get that anywhere else?
So its a coincidence that in Dubois the room rates are 140 bucks a night or more in the middle of winter, and the lot is filled with Texas plates? A buddy of mine was checking room rates in Manhattan by Columbia university last night. 135 bucks a night for a standard room. I'm sure its not drilling that makes room rates in Dubois higher than Manhattan.
 

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It's affecting life here in almost every concievable way. Local businesses are seeing increases in the 100's of percent. The gas industry has pulled cdl drivers from almost every local industry with high wages and incredible amounts of overtime, now locals can't find licensed drivers. Colleges are offering degree/certificate programs and that has created a need for technical instructors (my specialty and have been asked to submit a resume).

A look at ads in the paper shows the impact, lots of financial planners and new bank investment options specifically for lump and royalty payments (these take extra people to administer), lawyers are booming with all the contract issues, lots of new water testing firms, local construction outfits bid on well pad installations, the cheap real estate is being snatched up for rental properties, lots of extra house rooms and apartments being offered, quite a number of new industrial supply and rental equipment in the area, welders are busy running to the rigs. And yes every week there are ads for rig workers, usually they are for 12 hour shifts, 14 days straight with one month off.

Then you see the effect of the new money from lump and royalty payments and it's trickle down effect, old run down farm houses being remodeled, dirt driveways getting paved, pole barns going up, brand new top end tractors sitting in run down barns, and a lot more glitzy vehicles at the convenience stores and gas stations. It's been a depressed area here for decades and it is simply a strong injection of prosperity.

I've been retired for 3 years but at 55 I am considering taking advantage of the income opportunity. If I saved 100% of the income for 2 years I could have some fun with the accumulated proceeds.
 

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Quite a few hispanics working on the site prep areas two years ago, near camp. Mostly heavy equipment operators, from what I know? According to a cousin that also had some of his equipment on the site down the road from camp, the Texicans quickly learned to clear their tracks of mud at the end of each day, once cold weather hit.



One that was regrading the gravel twp. road past camp on Memorial Day weekend 2010, stopped to yak a bit.

Nice kid, very personable and spoke perfect English. Also a very accomplished CAT grader operator, judging by the job he did on "our" road, which BTW, was not even a road bonded by the drillers at that point in time. Nor had any of their trucks used it.

When I asked him why he was grading our "un-bonded" road, Juan said the boss told him to run every gravel twp. road in the area and regrade it, whether it was bonded, or not.

 
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