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Hope for the Steeler organization in the immediate future. To qualify, immediate being next 5 years or so. Im not really a sky is falling kind of guy, but the current state of the organization I would consider to be disarray. Simply break down the positional needs on the field. There is not an area that isn't in trouble need-wise. Even at QB, and as much as Ben does on his own running for his life, he is long in the tooth and a replacement needs to be groomed.... and not Landry Jones. Both the offensive and defensive lines are a hot mess. Missed draft picks in the top few rounds the culprit. Linebacking corp, shakey at best. D-backs... OLD and in need of total replacement in the next... well actually, NOW. Running back was a merry-go-round yet again. Bell may be a solution, but he will have to wait until a line is built. How long will he wait ? Then we see a WR, Calvin Johnson go up in the air to snatch balls to the tune of over 300 yards on Sunday, and we look at our WR corp and see the diminutive Brown and Sanders. And as good as Heath Miller has been over the years, the severe knee, coupled with his aging body, spells a need for replacement very soon. Who do we have to step up at TE ? Nobody.

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Tomlin I believe is lost. I NEVER thought he was a "brilliant" coaching mind. From the get go, when he spoke, I had him pegged as a cliche' filled dummy that will be exposed for the goof that he was sooner than later. And yes, he did get to 2 superbowls with vet players that had little to do with his talent evaluation. The mantra in the burgh is that he won with Cowher's players, well, HE DID. I'll give him a small hint of credit for actually holding things together enough to get to the big game, but I also believe it was more Arian's and Lebeau than Tomlin that got em there.

OC and DC
Both Lebeau and Haley will be out after this year. Lebeau will realize he is too old to go through a defensive building process, and Haley will be ousted, not of his own volition. That will require new scheme's which take time to learn, instill, and perefect.

This organization had a heck of a run since Cowher took over til now. There were some bumps along the way, but nothing that couldn't be resolved the next season or two. But currently, things look dire, and no, I'm not talking this season, I mean many upcoming seasons. We are more than likely staring at an organization that will drift back to the 80's Steeler football that we not so fondly remember.


Other than that. LET'S GO STEELER'S.
 

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If I had to pin it down to one thing, I'd say that the organization has lost the ability to evaluate talent and draft. Of course, I'm spoiled by the fact that we were used to Steeler fourth round draft picks making the pro bowl and first rounders winding up in the HOF. I can accept the fact that this would no longer be the case. But your first and second rounders have to be solid starters that are better than at least half of the players at their positions across the league. Since Tomlin took over (and I'm not even certain how much say he has in the actual picks), drafting has turned into a dumpster fire! Say what you will about Cowher, he didn't miss on nearly as many picks as Tomlin does.

At the end of the year, they will need a fall guy, since they probably wont even finish 500. That will be Haley. And rightly so. For a guy who was said to match the offensive schemes to the talent on hand, he spends too much time pounding square pegs into round holes.

The further we get from the Cowher era, the worse the team looks. Coincidence? I don't think so.
 

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But your first and second rounders have to be solid starters that are better than at least half of the players at their positions across the league.
Absolutely. This team wouldn't even be that bad if their top 2 picks over the years were SERVICEABLE NFL players let alone superstars. Most are not even serviceable as starters.
 

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The Steelers need to put up a sign:

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these. . . . .
 

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Hope? My pap used to say, "Hope in one hand, crap in the other and see which one fills up first". I think we all know which hand is getting filled with what this year.
 

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The thing is, The Rooneys are in a tight spot because, if tit turns out that Tomlin is just a lousy coach, how can they fire him? He's the Rooney rule poster boy! And once Lebaeu retires and Haley is axed and the other lesser coaches are replaced and things don't get better, what else can the Rooneys do?
 

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Hope for the next 5 years??? Not looking good.

This team will likely be a .500 team for the next 5 years. Ben will likely miss significant time because of injuries sustained due to the O line's inability to even stop my grandmother from getting to the QB.
 

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You guys also should realize you all are seein this team as it really is.They have been really lucky for good while now it has caught up to them.
 

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good ole boy said:
You guys also should realize you all are seein this team as it really is.They have been really lucky for good while now it has caught up to them.
But the most frustrating thing about it is, that nobody in the front office seemed to see it coming and there was no action taken to "soften the blow" so to speak.

Of course they can't be world beaters every year, but there is no reason it should be this abysmal. Their drafting has been bad and their signed players haven't been living up to expectations. (I'm looking at you Woodley and AB)
 

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Of course they can't be world beaters every year, but there is no reason it should be this abysmal. Their drafting has been bad and their signed players haven't been living up to expectations. (I'm looking at you Woodley and AB)
I totally agree with this. Missing badly on high draft choices (1's and 2's) is what is mostly causing this rut. And due to the misses, after a couple of years of realizing the picks won't pan out, they have to re-draft high at that position trying to compensate, effectively wasting a high pick that could have been used on another position. Look, we all know every pick can't be a homerun, but in my eyes, #1 and #2 better at least be a serviceable starter once the system is learned. Heck last night, I watched 2 first year rookie's, THIS YEAR'S picks, for Cinci make significant impacts on the game. Tyler Eiffert and Giovanni Bernard. Why don't other teams have to wait 5 years for their picks to "learn the system". Are they drafting higher IQ's ? Steelers had to sit their #1 this year because he was constantly out of position.
 

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good ole boy said:
You guys also should realize you all are seein this team as it really is.They have been really lucky for good while now it has caught up to them.
Do you mean in how they draft?
 

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I mean all the way around.The way they do everything is a joke.Don,t you always here on talk radio on how the Rooneys do things.I heard just the other day that no matter how bad Tomlin gets(he can,t get any worse)that they will never fire him only because they only hired him for one reason.
 

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I think the problem is more fundamental than bad draft picks. The real problem is that this team has lost it's identity. Used to be, Steeler football, meant good hard nosed defense and pounding the rock to control the clock and keep the other team off the field, with just enough passing to mix it up and keep opposing defenses honest. The Rooney's have abandoned Steeler style football and have hired coaches and have drafted accordingly. What we are seeing these days bears no resemblance to Steeler football as I know it.
 

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I think of it this way...
Between the age of political correctness & the end of Cowher regime between aging players & lack of solid Draft picks or player development ...The Steeler pipeline is empty...current management, coach, & player roster ...do not equal the history of this storied franchise...just look at the top current NFL coaches... Mike just doesn't make the list...I'm afraid we may have seen the best of Ben too... All this punishment will have its downside... The troubles will mount if the QB becomes an issue too...
Ultimately When Tomlin was picked I did not believe he was the very best pick for a team like Steelers...or for Steeler football & the historical play & Steeler teams... nor has the last 3-5 rounds of top draft picks or the selection of new coaches
Sadly...
 

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I think the problem is more fundamental than bad draft picks. The real problem is that this team has lost it's identity. Used to be, Steeler football, meant good hard nosed defense and pounding the rock to control the clock and keep the other team off the field, with just enough passing to mix it up and keep opposing defenses honest. The Rooney's have abandoned Steeler style football and have hired coaches and have drafted accordingly. What we are seeing these days bears no resemblance to Steeler football as I know it.
Might be a chicken and the egg argument. I don't think drafting poorly, as the Steelers have,gets players capable of playing the game the way the Steelers used to. And, I think the coaching is bad. So what came first, the bad drafting, or the bad players?
 

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The Rooneys are notoriously slow to change coaches. It's like, once they hire you, you are in for life. That can be a good thing when the coach is good. But, it isn't helping things much now, nor will it in the near future.
 

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The real problem is that this team has lost it's identity. Used to be, Steeler football, meant good hard nosed defense and pounding the rock to control the clock and keep the other team off the field, with just enough passing to mix it up and keep opposing defenses honest.
I know the holes are many, but it seems that things started going downhill (read inmates running the asylum), when a group of young, moderately talented at best, wide receivers came in and dubbed themselves "Young Money", Cough-Cough. Keep drafting the "Young Money" types Tomlin.
 

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Well, after the latest debacle it appears that their draft position will be moved up quite a few positions over the last few years when they were making the playoffs. Maybe this year they will be drafting 5 or 6 rather than in the 20something position.
 
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