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Could you live your life with only 8 or 10 rounds in the magazine?

Would you and those around you be better off if one of you had fully-automatic firearms?

If we can't or won't do anything else, I'm thinking a limit on one piece of the hardware can let really SEMI-automatic firearms, like pistols and shotguns avoid further law restrictions.
And it might let a few more innocent people remain alive and un-injured when someone goes berserk and changes between 10 round mags and lets a cop hop up from behind a barrier and ice the culprit.

Machine guns are highly limited. The gun barely matters. I don't know if we can convince non-gun people of that. What is most important is how many rounds can be chambered and how quickly.

When you go plinking, it may be good for all of us that you have to change mags 2 times to send 30 rounds down range.
I don't want this to go like Australia where they had a mandated buy-back and don't have anything that repeats, I think. No auto-loaders of any kind at all. I don't want that, but I, for one and only one, don't have a problem with the 8 round mag that the 1911 had for WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam.
 

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Ok, so....

1- the 1911 has a 7rd mag. Sorry. Had to. :)

2- I don't actually have a functional issue with a mag size limit. I have a philosophical issue.

Because it won't stop there.

I could get on board with several of the proposed changes the left wants on guns if you could absolutely, positively, no questions asked guarantee that nothing further would be proposed/demanded/passed. But you (figuratively "you") can't.

Give up 30 rd mags for AR's today....might avoid a bigger, messier fight. Next shooting happens, you're giving up 10rd'ers and held to 5.

Next shooting, no semi long guns.

Next shooting, no semi's.

I don't have the answer, but appeasement doesn't seem like the correct one.
 

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No.
If I am forced to defend myself or others, I want all the ammo capacity I can carry and maneuver.
I want to be able to deploy as much defensive force as possible to end the threat as quickly as possible. Having to reload every 7-10 rounds is a handicap in that arena.
Additionally, I do not support any magazine limits that exempt law enforcement.
The entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to place the Governed on equal footing with the Government, and we've given up too much ground already.

Look overseas to see how far down that slope things slide. They're banning kitchen knives now...
 

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would you rather try to run away from someone shooting a single projectile ? or someone shooting 3 inch 12 ga shells with #4 buckshot in them ?


i dont want to be in the position of having to run at all or even be in a situation like that. but a single projectile being fired at you while you are running and 40 yards away from the shooter gives you a better chance than running at 40 yards from the #4 buckshot.


ban the Semi Auto rifles and they will use shotguns and handguns.


10 round magazines...OK...search youtube. there are people who change out mags in seconds, some in less than 2 seconds, some even faster.



MACHINE GUNS ????? let me know if you find one for sale...the only way to buy one is to find one that has been registered way before sometime in the 80's (I think) and then you might have to mortgage the house to buy it. then you have to jump thru more red tape than buying silencer...good luck.


I am not giving up anything...guns, ammo or mag size...NOPE...none of it.


as a matter of fact i am going to buy a mossberg shockwave...maybe two of them...and a large cap 9mm like the sig X5...it comes with four 21 round magazines.
 

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The problem I believe is the pharmaceuticals!
But you won’t here politicians or news people talk about it. Because the politicians are in bed with them and the advertisement money is so great no network news stations are going to say anything.
When you have a list of side affects as long as your arm when taken and in many cases taken for years. Is it any wonder people are numb and don’t care about anything or anyone!
I think every time this happens it needs to be told what meds these people were taking. I think you’ll find some similarities!
 

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Here is a good question? Do you think people are going to comply? Kamala Harris said, "I will use executive action to take assault rifles away." . Attempting to take guns away from Americans is going to be bloody. This isn't New Zealand or Australia. My Shield is 7-8 rounds depending on my mag, my 2.0 has 17. yeah I am keeping my stuff.... remember....


"WE THE PEOPLE"
 

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Could you live your life with only 8 or 10 rounds in the magazine?

Would you and those around you be better off if one of you had fully-automatic firearms?

If we can't or won't do anything else, I'm thinking a limit on one piece of the hardware can let really SEMI-automatic firearms, like pistols and shotguns avoid further law restrictions.
And it might let a few more innocent people remain alive and un-injured when someone goes berserk and changes between 10 round mags and lets a cop hop up from behind a barrier and ice the culprit.

Machine guns are highly limited. The gun barely matters. I don't know if we can convince non-gun people of that. What is most important is how many rounds can be chambered and how quickly.

When you go plinking, it may be good for all of us that you have to change mags 2 times to send 30 rounds down range.
I don't want this to go like Australia where they had a mandated buy-back and don't have anything that repeats, I think. No auto-loaders of any kind at all. I don't want that, but I, for one and only one, don't have a problem with the 8 round mag that the 1911 had for WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam.


What would be next, limiting the number of magazines a person can own? These shooting are not a weapon problem, they are a people problem.
There s a story in the news this morning about some nut case in California who was running around with a knife stabbing people, killed 4 and injured 2. I am guessing you won't hear much about a mass stabbing but had he shot those people we would be regaled daily about another mass shooting. To surrender and give an inch to the gun grabbers will do nothing to stop crazies from murdering people. All you are hearing now is gun violence, gun violence gun violence burn that term into people's head. There is no such thing as gun violence, guns are inanimate objects, they cannot be violent.
 

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Have you ever watched 3-gun matches ? I Know it takes a lot of practice, but those guys can reload 4 rounds in a shotgun in about 2 seconds or less. Lets start teaching respect and personal responsibility. Instead of promoting "Alternative Lifestyles" in just about every TV show and movie out there, start promoting responsibility, ethics and hard work !!
 

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A lot of valid points, but unfortunately could read as a playbook for the anti-gun people. It's been mentioned about mental health issues, and super violent video games that impressionable youngsters get to spend an inordinate amount of time playing, all the while learning to be desensitized to all manner of violence, death, and carnage. The military uses the same type of video plays to not only enhance abilities using select weaponry, but also cause these acts to be matter of fact and "not real", untill they are completed on the battle field.

Foolish? No. Remember in your younger days the feelings instilled by an exciting movie at the theatre? You were powerful! Ready to take those very things on by yourself! All stops pulled! Energy bleeding from every pore!....:surprise2:....Next morning it became only a memory of things we wished we had also done as in the movie, but the fantasy ended, and life went to normal.:plain:

Youngster playing ever increasingly violent video games, feeling like it would be great to do these things! Instead of reality returning, he/she gets yet another fix of the game, day after day, and losing just the slightest grasp on reality each time.:help:

Don't tell the soccer Mom who is terrorized by El Paso and Daton what is wrong to do, give COMMON SENSE measures for long range prevention that could work.
 

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Could you live your life with only 8 or 10 rounds in the magazine?

Would you and those around you be better off if one of you had fully-automatic firearms?

If we can't or won't do anything else, I'm thinking a limit on one piece of the hardware can let really SEMI-automatic firearms, like pistols and shotguns avoid further law restrictions.
And it might let a few more innocent people remain alive and un-injured when someone goes berserk and changes between 10 round mags and lets a cop hop up from behind a barrier and ice the culprit.

Machine guns are highly limited. The gun barely matters. I don't know if we can convince non-gun people of that. What is most important is how many rounds can be chambered and how quickly.

When you go plinking, it may be good for all of us that you have to change mags 2 times to send 30 rounds down range.
I don't want this to go like Australia where they had a mandated buy-back and don't have anything that repeats, I think. No auto-loaders of any kind at all. I don't want that, but I, for one and only one, don't have a problem with the 8 round mag that the 1911 had for WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam.
I could live my life without a lot of things in it; But why should I? Why should I have to conform to a mag capacity limit? Why should I not be able to own/use a full auto if I want one? Myself and millions of other honest law abiding individuals prove everyday that our firearms can/will be used safely and responsibly. Why should our rights and wants be taken away based on the actions of a very small percentage of the population?

Good luck, Tony
 

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Listen to the DEMOIDIOTS.... they really want to take our stuff. Look at Germany, disarmed the public. Their own darn people and only the military had weapons. My gramma in law who passed two years ago was from Bavaria. One of the best women that I ever met. She told me how they took the jews, took the men to service and forced her into the Nazi Labor Force. She was a telephone operator. She actually told me the story when two German SS walked in her family home and took her dads shotgun he used for hunting. These democrats are becoming more socialist day by day. If you think they aren't listen to them, then go listen to Hitler's Speeches from the Pre-War NSDAP days. Your gonna find more similarities then you care to find. All I can ask you all is to vote smart. These idiots will take a little at a time, til we have nothing left. Big city people will vote and make sure we are kept down. Look at New York (I only work across the border), and how Cuomo rules this place. He is a scumbag.


Can I live with a 10 rd mag?... yeah... but I am not... Can I live without my 30 rd AR mags? Sure, but I am not.... I will invoke my American privilege laid forth to me by the founding fathers, the men and women that died for me to have these freedoms, and the men I served next to in the service. You can have my badge, but your not making me no darn sheep.
 

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Nope, can't and won't live without as much weapons that I can legally own. Not only is it my God given right to protect my home and fellow citizen against our government but it is my 2nd Amendment right.
If it was up to me I'd own as many full auto weapons and ammo with as many magazines as I could afford. Unfortunately I don't have a big pocket book like the government that can spend millions of tax payers dollars on such things.
 

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Don't have a AR or anything like one but they are a hoot to shoot. One thing I do have is enough sense to know that when someone says "Common Sense Gun Laws" it means I'll be throwing rocks to hunt with instead of using my rifle! The Anti crowd won't stop with a mag restriction or a AR ban!
 

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A lot of valid points, but unfortunately could read as a playbook for the anti-gun people. It's been mentioned about mental health issues, and super violent video games that impressionable youngsters get to spend an inordinate amount of time playing, all the while learning to be desensitized to all manner of violence, death, and carnage. The military uses the same type of video plays to not only enhance abilities using select weaponry, but also cause these acts to be matter of fact and "not real", untill they are completed on the battle field.

Foolish? No. Remember in your younger days the feelings instilled by an exciting movie at the theatre? You were powerful! Ready to take those very things on by yourself! All stops pulled! Energy bleeding from every pore!....
....Next morning it became only a memory of things we wished we had also done as in the movie, but the fantasy ended, and life went to normal.


Youngster playing ever increasingly violent video games, feeling like it would be great to do these things! Instead of reality returning, he/she gets yet another fix of the game, day after day, and losing just the slightest grasp on reality each time.


Don't tell the soccer Mom who is terrorized by El Paso and Daton what is wrong to do, give COMMON SENSE measures for long range prevention that could work.
Define “common sense” measures. I hear this term thrown around every time something like this happens and people act like solving these issues is such an easy “common sense” solution, but what is it?

Banning certain mag sizes? Banning certain guns? THAT is the solution?

OR, is that a “feel good” measure that gives the illusion that we are “doing something”? I’m sorry, but I vehemently disagree with this idea that we gun owners NEED to sacrifice and cave to the demands of the anti gun crowd in order to “protect our future”. What does that even mean? It’s sound more like an admission that the left indeed DOES want to get their hands on ALL of our guns, and some gun owners who don’t care about certain types of guns and accessories that other gun owners have, what those gun owners to give up THEIR property in order to capitulate the anti gunners and stop them for coming after THEIR property.
 

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A lot of valid points being put out there. But if it was one of our families that was shopping In Walmart at the time and In came the guy with his legally purchased AR and 30 rd mag would we still want that guy to have that right to own that? Another thing I don’t understand is if so many of us need and are entitled to the AR platform and it’s our god given right, why aren’t we out trying to have fully auto weapons decriminalized? The NRA and many of us in here should be up in arms that we can’t own one! How’s that fair that the government can come after us with their weapons on full auto and we can’t retaliate at the same level?
 

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its easy to prove what they want. Trump should hold a press conference, tell the Democrats, we will Ban the AR's and high capacity magazines, in return we want language in the bill that all existing firearm laws will be enforced to the max and no more so called gun control bills will ever be written, submitted or voted on, this is it !!


watch the screaming start from the Socialist Democrats....i would really love to see him do this.
 
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A lot of valid points being put out there. But if it was one of our families that was shopping In Walmart at the time and In came the guy with his legally purchased AR and 30 rd mag would we still want that guy to have that right to own that? Another thing I don’t understand is if so many of us need and are entitled to the AR platform and it’s our god given right, why aren’t we out trying to have fully auto weapons decriminalized? The NRA and many of us in here should be up in arms that we can’t own one! How’s that fair that the government can come after us with their weapons on full auto and we can’t retaliate at the same level?
That guy with the AR or AK has a right to own that firearm until he uses it in the commission of a crime. And therein lies the complexity of this idea that we can go “Minority Report” and stop people before it happens.

When people start talking about “looking deeper” in background checks, having your guns immediately confiscated the moment someone accuses you of threatening them, or restricting what people can own based on the crimes of the few, it begins to get dangerous.

What are they “looking deeper” for? WHO gets to determine whether or not you are deemed worthy to own a gun? How are frivolous accusations to get someone red flagged going to be addressed?

As I said, I understand the emotions in the wake of these events, but I cringe when I see people ready and willing to send their rights down the river under the guise of “doing something”.
 

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The problem I believe is the pharmaceuticals!
But you won’t here politicians or news people talk about it. Because the politicians are in bed with them and the advertisement money is so great no network news stations are going to say anything.
When you have a list of side affects as long as your arm when taken and in many cases taken for years. Is it any wonder people are numb and don’t care about anything or anyone!
I think every time this happens it needs to be told what meds these people were taking. I think you’ll find some similarities!

a lot of mental health drugs have suicidal side effects. maybe a lot of these shootings are suicide by cop or at least intended to be. some side effects also increase the mental illness too. like hearing voices.


Here is a good question? Do you think people are going to comply? Kamala Harris said, "I will use executive action to take assault rifles away." . Attempting to take guns away from Americans is going to be bloody. This isn't New Zealand or Australia. My Shield is 7-8 rounds depending on my mag, my 2.0 has 17. yeah I am keeping my stuff.... remember....

"WE THE PEOPLE"

gangbangers will never comply. come to think of it...if i owned any guns at all...i wouldnt comply either. I AM AN AMERICAN not a problem.


What would be next, limiting the number of magazines a person can own? These shooting are not a weapon problem, they are a people problem.
There s a story in the news this morning about some nut case in California who was running around with a knife stabbing people, killed 4 and injured 2. I am guessing you won't hear much about a mass stabbing but had he shot those people we would be regaled daily about another mass shooting. To surrender and give an inch to the gun grabbers will do nothing to stop crazies from murdering people. All you are hearing now is gun violence, gun violence gun violence burn that term into people's head. There is no such thing as gun violence, guns are inanimate objects, they cannot be violent.

people in Japan and britian and New York have been attacked by nut cases with knives, the media never portrays that as a mass killing, but it is.


Have you ever watched 3-gun matches ? I Know it takes a lot of practice, but those guys can reload 4 rounds in a shotgun in about 2 seconds or less. Lets start teaching respect and personal responsibility. Instead of promoting "Alternative Lifestyles" in just about every TV show and movie out there, start promoting responsibility, ethics and hard work !!

they have speed loaders for shotguns, pretty cool, inject 8 rounds in less than 3 seconds.....https://dawsonprecision.com/speedloader-tube-for-12-gauge-shotguns-4-rounds-by-arredondo/ watch the videos on youtube....WOW


A lot of valid points being put out there. But if it was one of our families that was shopping In Walmart at the time and In came the guy with his legally purchased AR and 30 rd mag would we still want that guy to have that right to own that? Another thing I don’t understand is if so many of us need and are entitled to the AR platform and it’s our god given right, why aren’t we out trying to have fully auto weapons decriminalized? The NRA and many of us in here should be up in arms that we can’t own one! How’s that fair that the government can come after us with their weapons on full auto and we can’t retaliate at the same level?

YES...he can own that....i will also be carrying my CCW. if i am not taken by surprise and shot, i would hope i will be doing my best to make sure that individual is stopped, dead in his tracks.



as far as making full auto legal...its legal, just find one and buy it.
here ya go...https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411557929/used+ruger+ac-556+mini+14+223rem+machinegun


i have the money, just trying to justify it.
 
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