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Is it legal to release and shoot chukars on state game lands for dog training?
Yes except during the following times: It is nlawful to: (24) Engage in dog training activities on small game from the Monday prior to the start of the youth pheasant season until the opening of the regular pheasant season in § 139.4 (relating to seasons and bag limits for the license year). This paragraph may not be construed to limit dog training activities on any other public or private lands or waters not designated as State game lands.
 

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As I recall, that even included an exception from the Sunday ban
 

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As I recall, that even included an exception from the Sunday ban
They were removed from the status of game birds, therefore the Sunday hunting ban does not apply to Chukars.
 

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Well this has been so confusing to me. I also tried to find this answer and it's always a different answer. I've heard yes like previous answers. The. I ve read other things rulesmention "no guns while training on sgl"...and "no birds can be released on sgl. "A wco even told me that once I stopped to ask about it. It's driving me mad!
 

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What about red-leg partridges?

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No, by regulation this is it what you may release:

§ 137.2. Release of animals.
(a) Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to release captive held or captive raised game or wildlife on any lands, public or private, without first securing a permit from the Commission. Lawfully acquired mallard ducks, ringneck pheasant, bobwhite quail, chukar partridge and Hungarian partridge may be released for dog training or hunting purposes.

Photos of Chukars and Reg Legged patriarch. They are similar but not the same bird.
 

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No, by regulation this is it what you may release:

§ 137.2. Release of animals.
(a) Except as otherwise provided, it is unlawful to release captive held or captive raised game or wildlife on any lands, public or private, without first securing a permit from the Commission. Lawfully acquired mallard ducks, ringneck pheasant, bobwhite quail, chukar partridge and Hungarian partridge may be released for dog training or hunting purposes.

Photos of Chukars and Reg Legged patriarch. They are similar but not the same bird.
I understand the Pennsylvania allows the release of Alectoris Chukar but not Alectoris Rufa. Now here's the question. Do you believe that anyone responsible for enforcing the laws could look at Alectoris Rufa and know definitively that it wasn't Alectoris Chukar?

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I buy Chukar semi-frequently from a somewhat local game farm. I doubt very much that I would know the difference if he sold me red-legged partridge instead of Chukar.

I'm guessing that there is no valid reason to allow Chukar to be stocked, but prohibit red-legged partridge from being stocked. It is probably just because that when they wrote the law maybe 75+ years ago, they didn't realize that there were multiple members of the Alectoris genus. Apparently the different species of rock partridge species readily hybridize as well. I'm not sure how the PA law would be enforced with regard to these hybrids. Would it need to be 100% Alectoris Chukar in order to be released? Would 51% chukar suffice? What about 25% chukar and 75% Rufa? How would you know without genetic testing?
 

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I understand the Pennsylvania allows the release of Alectoris Chukar but not Alectoris Rufa. Now here's the question. Do you believe that anyone responsible for enforcing the laws could look at Alectoris Rufa and know definitively that it wasn't Alectoris Chukar?

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I buy Chukar semi-frequently from a somewhat local game farm. I doubt very much that I would know the difference if he sold me red-legged partridge instead of Chukar.

I'm guessing that there is no valid reason to allow Chukar to be stocked, but prohibit red-legged partridge from being stocked. It is probably just because that when they wrote the law maybe 75+ years ago, they didn't realize that there were multiple members of the Alectoris genus. Apparently the different species of rock partridge species readily hybridize as well. I'm not sure how the PA law would be enforced with regard to these hybrids. Would it need to be 100% Alectoris Chukar in order to be released? Would 51% chukar suffice? What about 25% chukar and 75% Rufa? How would you know without genetic testing?
So after viewing enough pictures, I think I can tell the difference between the Chukar and the Red Legged partridge. The chukar appears to have a "well trimmed black beard" under it's chin and across the chest. The Red Legged partridge looks to have a scraggly beard under it's chin and across the chest.

I have no idea what the markings would be on the hybrids.
 

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The valid reason to allow chukars to be stocked and not the red legged is because the law says so. If the law does not specifically allow an bird or animal to be released into the wild it is illegal, the law specifically allows chukars to be released. Intil the late 80s or early 90s Chukars were game birds in PA as one of the species that the PGC tried to introduce for hunting, they didn't take, the same with the Hungarian patriarch which was only recently de listed as a game bird. The PGC doesn't want all kinds of species from who knows where that may have who knows what diseases released in the state. It is also unawful to release any bird or animal that has been imported from any other state for the same reason. The reg legged patriarch is Rufus in color on the flanks where the Chukar is grey, they are very similar but not the same and they can be told apart. The latin name of the reg legged is Alectoris Rufa indicating a rufus (reddish brown) in color while the Chukars latin name is Alectoris Chukar, while similar, they are two separate and distinct species.

https://www.shutterstock.com/search/partridge

https://www.pinterest.com/twcassidy/chukar/
 
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So after viewing enough pictures, I think I can tell the difference between the Chukar and the Red Legged partridge. The chukar appears to have a "well trimmed black beard" under it's chin and across the chest. The Red Legged partridge looks to have a scraggly beard under it's chin and across the chest.

I have no idea what the markings would be on the hybrids.
Dude, you and Dobsonknob are worrying about nonsense really. Who or what game farm exactly is raising and releasing Red-legged partridge versus chukar? And there is very little chance your local squirrel cop is going to know or care about the difference. It's all pretty much a moot point.
 

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You may be surprised who can tell the difference it isn't hard and it might be expensive if you release the wrong birds. I sure can trll the difference and I suspect most if not all of the PGC wardens can as well. Your disrespectful name for our wardens shows what and who you really are. I don't know why Dap asked the question but I assume he had a legitimate reason and I gave him the correct answer. Your snotty comments help no one and serve no one but you thinking you are clever. You are not.
 
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You don't have to explain, you asked a legitimate question, it wasn't your fault that another poster got his panties in a bunch. Who knows how many others benefited from your question.
 
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