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Stand Your Ground bill commonly referred to as the Castle Doctrine HB 40 & SB 842 does anyone REALLY want this passed?

If so please read on WE need your help.

Here is our political problem. Last session despite numerous broken promises from key people in leadership we could not get our castle doctrine bill up for one single vote in the judiciary committee. While several pieces of anti-gun legislation got THREE chances for a vote, thankfully all those anti-gun votes failed due in large part to gun owners active involvement of contacting our Reps (gun owners can make a difference).

WE have a plan to get this out of judiciary committee despite anti-gun political tricks, one way or the other, but it can not be done without your help. IF you want this bill, its time to step up and do your part to get this passed into law.

After Rep Rohrer’s 10 amendment rally on 3-16-09 several people helped hand deliver the following Allegheny County Sportsmen’s League (ACSL) letter written by Kim Stolfer to approximate 92 Reps that usually vote pro gun or new Reps. Since that time we actually got to talk with a few Reps and picked up more co sponsors. Since this letter was delivered in March the number of co sponsors has almost doubled, because of gun owners contacting the Reps and asking for their co sponsorship.

Legislative Position Paper & Support Request—HB 40

Castle Doctrine -Stand Your Ground

We request that you co-sponsor Rep Scott Perry’s HB 40, the Stand Your Ground bill commonly referred to as the Castle Doctrine. Currently there are 57 co-sponsors.

As you know, criminals are becoming bolder; home invasions are becoming more common and our law enforcement officers are being murdered on our urban streets by recidivist offenders. Law abiding citizens are forced to defend their family and themselves with baseball bats, golf clubs, or whatever they have available to them at the moment of attack. With the downturn in the economy, many local police departments are being downsized while other police departments are being eliminated all together, due to the deterioration of their community’s tax base. State police resources are stretched as evidenced by recent moves to charge policing fees to communities believed able to afford them.

To add insult to injury, if a constituent is fortunate or lucky enough to successfully defend themselves and in the process causes injury to a law breaker, that law abiding citizen could easily become the target of a civil lawsuit! From whom? The criminal! Yes, a citizen – maybe even you! – could become a victim again, paying attorney fees to defend yourself once again, except this time, you’ll have to defend yourself against the very government that currently denies needed legal protections and is not legally obligated to protect you! You may be forced to “pay restitution” to the attacker for alleged “diminished capacity to earn a (dis)honest living”. How equitable is that! If you or someone in your family is ever attacked by a criminal HB 40 would afford immunity from civil suits regarding yours or your loved one’s use of force to protect oneself.

Under HB 40 citizens would have no legal duty to retreat when confronted by criminals. Under HB 40 citizen’s can protect their family and property in a life or death situation, without fear of being prosecuted in court for using force to stop criminal acts. Note that HB 40 has been specifically crafted so there are no allowances for criminal intent. Any illegal activity on the part of the property owner or legal resident would nullify any legal defense. Also included, is a provision that does not allow for challenging the legal authority of law enforcement, nor does it allow “a shoot first ask questions later mentality”. It grants citizens the authority to stop a crime when it is occurring in front of them that places them in danger of serious bodily harm or death. HB 40 also gives notice to repeat violent criminals that crime will no longer be tolerated by citizens who refuse to be their victims.

A note on similar bills from past sessions:
• HB 2231, was approved by an overwhelming majority (151-42) in a special house session in Sept 2006, but died before the House and Senate could take formal action.
• HB 641, in the 2007-08 session wasn’t brought up for a vote in the judiciary committee despite overwhelming citizen support and numerous promises from leadership for a straight up or down vote in that session during the debates on HB 1845.
“Stand your ground” bills have been enacted in numerous states over the last several years. We must have such statutory protections in Pennsylvania!

Thank you for your consideration and support; please join 57 of your colleagues as co-sponsors of this important legislation
Read the actual text of HB 40 here
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...type=B&BN=0040

Right now there are currently 106 co sponsor to Rep Scott Perry’s castle doctrine bill (June 25, 2009)

IF your Rep is on this contact list I request that you send a snail mail letter to Harrisburg asking for their name to be added as a cosponsor to HB 40. Use the above letter for a guide or write your own. Follow this letter up with a phone call to both the Harrisburg and local office. Leave your name and phone number for your Rep to call you back and ask to talk with your Rep about being a co sponsor. Why a snail mail letter? Email is quicker of course. A written letter creates a pile of paper work that goes on their desk, a few email can be easily be ignore as we all have been know to do. A written letter by a constituent GETS READ, you also could fax the letter it also creates a physical presents that just an electronic email file doesn’t. You could also snail mail / fax a letter to both Harrisburg and local district office. You also could make an appointment to meet with your Rep in their local office to speak to them about HB 40 co sponsorship, do any of the above.

All contact information is for the Reps Harrisburg office see web site for local district contact information

Here is a list of about 17 remaining Representative that usually vote pro gun (7 “A” rated) Three PG that was sponsors last time and are not currently co sponsors now.

PLEASE FOCUS on remaining Reps on this list even IF they are not your Reps contact them and ask for support.

H. Scott Conklin - Centre co
[email protected]
101 B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7879473
(717) 7804764 fax


Peter J. Daley - Washington Co
[email protected]
214 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7839333
(717) 7837558 fax


Gene DiGirolamo - Bucks Co
[email protected]
49 East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7837319
(717) 7722414 fax

Florindo J. Fabrizio - Erie Co
[email protected]
200 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7874358
(717) 7804774 fax

Will Gabig– on judiciary committee - Cumberland Co
[email protected]
410 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7722280
(717) 7052012 fax

Michael K. Hanna - Clinton/Centre
[email protected]
302 Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7722283
(717) 7874137 fax


Patrick J Harkins - Erie Co
[email protected]
125 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7877406
(717) 7804775 fax

Joseph F. Markosek - Allegheny Co
[email protected]
314 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7831012
(717) 7051891 fax

Ronald S. Marsico – past session co sponsor & on judiciary committee - Dauphin Co
[email protected]
218 Ryan Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7832014
(717) 7052010 fax

Keith R. McCall - Carbon Co
[email protected]
139 Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7831375
(717) 7721231 fax


Dennis M. O'Brien - Philadelphia Co
[email protected]
312 Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7875689
(717) 7871339 fax

John E. Pallone on judiciary committee - Westmoreland Co
[email protected]
325 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7831819
(717) 7729984 fax
Chris Ross - Chester Co
[email protected]
110 Ryan Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7831574
(717) 7052095 fax

Mario M. Scavello - Philadelphia Co
[email protected]
143 East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7877732
(717) 2606203 fax


Jerry A. Stern – past session co sponsor - Blair Co
[email protected]
315 A Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7879020
(717) 7872420 fax

Don Walko - on judiciary committee - Allegheny Co
[email protected]
121 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7875470
(717) 7830407 fax

Jim Wansacz – past session co sponsor Lacka/Luzer/Susq/Wyoming Co
[email protected]
527 E Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7876194
(717) 7051886 fax
The follow list of about 26 Representative are newly elected Reps from this term or last session that have an unknown rating to date on firearms.

Brendan F. Boyle - Philadelphia Co
[email protected]
101A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7873055 –
Call for fax #

Matthew Bradford - Montgomery Co
[email protected]
117 B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7722572
(717) 7722360 fax

Joseph F. Brennan - on judiciary committee - Northampton Co
sign up on June 25

Tim Briggs - Montgomery Co
[email protected]
06 East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7057011 (717)
Call for fax #

Vanessa Brown - Philadelphia Co
[email protected]
330 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7833822
(717) 7722384 fax

Mike Carroll - Luzerne Co
[email protected]
28 A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7873589
(717) 7804763 fax


Dom Costa - Allegheny Co
[email protected]
109 B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7839114
(717) 7804761 fax

Gary Day - Lehigh
[email protected]
163 B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7873017
(717) 7051951 fax

Daniel Deasy - Allegheny Co
[email protected]
111B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7876410 (717)
Call for fax #

Sheryl Delozier - Cumberland Co
[email protected]
164A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7835282 (717)
Call for fax #

Paul Drucker - on judiciary committee - Chester Co
[email protected]
323 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7052003
(717) 7722943 fax


Tim Hennessey - Chester Co
[email protected]
209 Ryan Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7873431
(717) 7051894 fax

Tom Houghton - Chester Co
[email protected]
121B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7722426
(717) 7876727 fax

Kenyatta Johnson - Philadelphia Co
[email protected]
116B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7831792
(717) 7877172 fax


Robert Matzie - Beaver Co
[email protected]
109A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7874444
(717) 7804772 fax

Michael P. McGeehan - Philadelphia Co
[email protected]
221 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7724029
(717) 7874923 fax

Barbara Mcilvaine Smith - Chester Co
[email protected]
121 A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7051922
(717) 7804778 fax


Duane Milne - Chester Co
[email protected]
150 A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7878579
Call for fax #

Richard Mirabito - Lycoming Co
[email protected]
25B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7721314
Call for fax #

Kevin Murphy - Lackawanna Co
[email protected]
116A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7878981
(717) 705-1598 fax

Thomas P Murt - Montgomery Co
[email protected]
429 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7876886
(717) 2606500 fax


Marguerite Quinn - Bucks Co
[email protected]
164 A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7721413
(717) 7833793 fax


John P. Sabatina - Philadelphia Co
[email protected]
120 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7724032
(717) 7831579 fax

Steve Santarsiero - Bucks Co
[email protected]
224 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 787-5475
Call for fax #

Ken Smith - Lackawanna Co
[email protected]
28 B East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7831359
(717) 7804757 fax

Mike Vereb - on judiciary committee - Montgomery Co
[email protected]
160 A East Wing
Harrisburg PA 171202020
(717) 7057164
(717) 2606522 fax
IF you need more information about any Reps go to this website, note also Reps are usually at the capital mon, tues, wed and are back in their district offices thurs & fri
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...ives_alpha.cfm


If your Reps is already listed as a co sponsor or you want to do your extra part PLEASE consider contact other Reps on this list (email, snail mail, fax, telephone) Even if you can’t vote for them they still cast all votes in your name, your tax money pays still their salary etc and they still represent you with every action they take. So you have every right to contact them and ask for their support for this bill, after all this isn’t just for one area but for everyone in PA.
 

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Couple points here.

The prime sponsor Rep Scott Perry is overseas fighting for our rights so the least we can do is our part to support this bill. Also since Rep Perry had to leave very early in this session most his memos including his letter requesting co sponsorship to HB 40 got lost in the paper work shuffle.

The web site list only 56 co sponsors, it will not be updated unless there is a status change in this bill or action is taken for a new printer number. Rep Perry’s staff sends me an updated co sponsor list about once a week or so. I am going to inquire about a technical amendment / update to this bill after we have more sponsors.

IF we can not get this bill pushed into action for an up or down vote in the judiciary committee we will get nothing except more broken promises like last session.
That is unacceptable.

There are several ways to force this out of the judiciary committee they all involve having an over whelming majority of co sponsors.

There are 26 members of the house judiciary committee.

There are 8 members that probably will not vote for this bill.

14 members usually vote pro-gun (nine are current co sponsors, two others were past co sponsors last session but not currently)

There are 4 unknowns vote.

In a straight up or down vote it should be 16 to 10 at worse or 18 to 8 best either way it passes.
Option two: if we can get a majority of co sponsors around a hundred we can have the media start also asking why this bill is not getting an action or at least a up or down vote. This will cause lots of political grief to the road blocking people that didn’t let us have a vote last session and shine a very bright spotlight on them something they wish to avoid.

Option three (I believe this correct) is a seldom used political maneuver, to use this option we got to have the co sponsorship in the 110-130 range to do a petition discharge drive to bypass the judiciary committee and bring the bill to the house floor for a full vote. With the prime sponsor overseas this will make this more difficult, but not impossible, yet another reason for having more co sponsor. NOTE most Reps don’t want to do this and is last resort option

If WE can get this bill up for a straight up or down vote it will pass, the only problem will be to keep this a clean bill with us not allowing any poison bill killing amendments to be attached. Both house will pass this if we just to our part and let them know we want this bill enacted.

Is this a perfect bill? Nope but it will fix a lot of problems with civil liability for the Citizens and police officers alike to defend ourselves from the criminals

There was a senate version of this bill SB 842 introduced as part of the 4th annual second amendment rally on April 21 09

The governor will sign this bill if we can get it on his desk in 2009 or spring of 2010 latest because he still has to work with these Reps to get anything else he wants accomplished politically, also with your help this bill will pass with a veto proof majority.


Here is the choice you all have to make, you can part of the problem by doing nothing, or you can be part of the solution by taking action. Gun owners have a real opportunity presented here for them to actually improve their rights for everyone benefit and feel good about making a difference, because with this issue you can. All that you have to do is decide to take whatever action is required to support HB 40 & SB 842 and asking the Reps that work for us to correct this problem with current law.


Activate or abdicate the choice is yours, freedom isn’t free

A big THANK YOU in advance for everyone’s help and cooperation on this activist project.


Here is another idea for your letters with the listing of the current sponsors Jun 24, 2009
This is the preliminary version of the Pro Gun bill legislative summary for the April 21, 2009 Rally

HB 40 – Self-protection, general principals of justifications, definitions, protection of other persons, use of force, civil immunity for use of force, sentences for firearms offenses

INTRODUCED BY PERRY, METCALFE, BAKER, BARRAR, BELFANTI, BENNINGHOFF, BOBACK, CAUSER, CREIGHTON, CUTLER, DALLY, ELLIS, FAIRCHILD, FLECK, GEIST, GEORGE, GIBBONS, GODSHALL, GRELL, GROVE, HALUSKA, HARHAI, HARRIS, HESS, HICKERNELL, HUTCHINSON, KAUFFMAN, KILLION, KORTZ, LONGIETTI, MARSHALL, MILLER, MOUL, PAYNE, PEIFER, PICKETT, PYLE, QUIGLEY, RAPP, READSHAW, REED, ROAE, ROCK, ROHRER, SAYLOR, SIPTROTH, S. H. SMITH, SOLOBAY, SONNEY, STABACK, STEVENSON, SWANGER, TRUE, TURZAI, VULAKOVICH, DENLINGER, HORNAMAN, GRUCELA, CLYMER, TALLMAN, GABLER, HARPER, MENSCH, WHITE, KOTIK, METZGAR, MAHONEY, KULA, PETRARCA, BURNS, MUSTIO, GERGELY, DeLUCA, MAHER, PETRI, KESSLER, HARHART,FARRY, MILLARD, KRIEGER, BOYD, DeWEESE, BROOKS, BEAR, SAINATO, CHRISTIANA, PHILLIPS, BEYER, GINGRICH, COX, REICHLEY, HELM, CASORIO, OBERLANDER, BARBIN, GOODMAN, REESE, SCHRODER, EVERETT, SEIP, WATSON, PERZEL, DERMODY, MAJOR, J. EVANS and Brennan (as of 6-25-09) a 106 total
This bill, commonly referred to as the “castle doctrine”, is very similar to ones enacted in other states which have a proven history of acting as a real deterrent to violent criminal confrontations. Under PA law currently you are required to demonstrate that you retreated or attempted to retreat from any criminal confrontation other than inside you home. This presumes that you have the time and opportunity to call the police to intervene and hopefully they will make it in time to save you. If you do anything to protect your self or property outside your homes, even IF you are still on your own property/land, to harm the criminal or protect your family from imminent attack you can be held criminally and or civilly liable for your actions, justified or not, by an over zealous DA or criminals family. This bill would provide protections against punitive lawsuits for civilians as well as off duty law enforcement officers and their families. This single proposed bill, if passed into law, will restore balance to a justice system that has for decades favored the criminal over the victim. Citizens will be ‘less’ likely to fall into harms way because of fear of losing everything if they protect themselves and criminals will be less likely to commit these acts IF they do not know if they are armed or not. It’s a really cost effective way to deter criminals, with average citizens providing added security when the police are not around.

HB 40 would provide civil immunity for the use of force against criminals without having to surrender your personal safety or to needless retreat in the face of intrusion or attack outside the person home or vehicle. This bill also provides for very strict provisions on the use of deadly force and cannot be used by anyone while they are engaged in unlawful or illegal acts, or used against a peace officer acting in the performance of their official duties
Here is yet another idea for a castle doctrine letter (note change the HB 641) to HB 40 in this letter on this web site .

http://acslpa.org/n-legislative/pa_proposed_firearms_legislation.htm
 

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<span style="color: #3333FF">As of June 30, 2009

WE now have 107 co sponsors to HB 40 with the addition of Rep Mark Keller

Thank you to all that are taking the time to contact your Rep and asking them to co sponsor HB 40 & SB 842
Its making a differance.</span>
 

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Sent our letters and faxes months ago. Finally a common sense bill to support our God given right to self-defense. This will take away any open door for an anti-gun DA to railroad a law abiding citizen who protects his family and property!!
 

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<span style="color: #3333FF">As of July 7, 2009

WE now have 108 co sponsors to HB 40 with the addition of Rep Robert Matzie

Thank you to all that are taking the time to contact your Rep and asking them to co sponsor HB 40 & SB 842
Its making a differance.

Thanks stackbarrel for your efforts.
IF people want this passed into to law its time to ask the Reps listed above to support this bill. IF one of them is your Rep Please make an appointment to visit them in local office and ask them to become a co sponsor.
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<span style="color: #3333FF">update as July 21, 2009

WE now have 109 co sponsors to HB 40 with the addition of Rep Mario M.Scavello</span>
 

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<span style="color: #3333FF">update as Aug 4, 2009

WE now have 111 co sponsors to HB 40 with the addition of
Representative Gary Day and Representative Matthew Smith

If this self defense bill is important to you, PLEASE consider doing your part and contact the Reps listed at top of thread. Just HOPING this will pass is the reason why it has not the last five years, its time to speak up and let your voice be heard</span>
 

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when is it up to be voted on?
IF your Rep is a co sponsor ask him to ask this question of Judiciary Committee leadership.

Go read part one again, its being held by the leadership in Judiciary Committee in both houses for the last 5 years

Unless we get more co sponsors and each of US take the time to ask our Reps to enact this, it will be NEVER get passed into law. Because of the special interest groups "stakeholders” can over ride everyone else’s concerns about our families safety and protection.

So if you want this added protection from the bad guys for the police and the rest of US.

Consider doing your part by contacting your Rep and the Reps listed above.
 

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All the pressure, all the firearm owners asking your Reps questions about why can’t we get a day in the Judiciary committee with 111 co sponsors on a bill has finally forced this to the schedule.


Here is the part of the email that went out and this would NOT have been possible with out ALL of your direct help and efforts to get a hearing.

Fyi, from Rep. Caltagirone's office.
Greetings!


The House Judiciary Committee has scheduled a public hearing on the castle doctrine.


Subject: House Judiciary Committee Public Hearing on HB 40 (Perry) – Castle Doctrine Legislation

Date: Thursday, November 19th from 10:00am – 2:00 pm

Location: G-50 IOB
Still don’t be surprised if this hearing gets pulled, changes dates, cancelled or there is some hanky-panky that goes on behind the scenes which is very common. On this bill expect it!

Thank you to everyone that contacted your Reps.

If you have NOT done your part, still there is time to contact all the Reps at the begining of this thread and ask them to add their names as co sponsors
 

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<span style="color: #000099">I also want to once again thank everyone for all there efforts to help get this up for a vote. Without your direct involvement in the political process at our Harrisburg second amendment second to none rallies along with the interactive legislative lobbying events, and so many of you contacting you Reps we wouldn't be here now with 111 co sponsors on HB 40.


There are also powerful forces so called "stakeholders" & special interest groups that are moving their high value chess pieces on the board to attempt to block this effort by all of you as they have been able to in the past sessions. So IF you can come to Harrisburg on Nov 18 or 19 it will be a great help, IF you not cannot come to express your feelings and your support.

Could you contact all 26 members of the house Judiciary Committee and ask them to pass HB 40?
Without amendment or change, email, call or fax ALL of them</span>

Rep Thomas R. Caltagirone – Judiciary Committee Chairman
[email protected] (717) 787-3525 fax (717) 772-5401

Rep Ronald S. Marsico
[email protected] (717) 783-2014 fax (717) 705-2010

Rep Kathy M. Manderino typically doesn’t vote with gun owners stress police and civil liability aspect
[email protected] (717) 787-1254 fax (717) 780-4770

Rep Joseph F. Brennan - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 772-9902 fax (717) 772-2284

Rep James E. Casorio - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 783-3483 fax (717) 772-9910

Rep Thomas C. Creighton - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 772-5290 fax (717) 783-1904

Rep Paul Drucker
[email protected] (717) 705-2003 fax (717) 772-2943

Rep Will Gabig
[email protected] (717) 772-2280 fax (717) 705-2012

Rep Glen R. Grell - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 783-2063 fax (717) 705-7012

Rep Kate Harper - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank her for the support
[email protected] (717) 787-2801 fax (717) 787-2022

Rep Tim Krieger - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 260-6146 fax (717) 260-6501

Rep Bryan R. Lentz - typically doesn’t vote with gun owners stress police and civil liability aspect
[email protected] (717) 787-8574 fax (717) 780-4777

Rep Bernard T. O'Neill - typically doesn’t vote with gun owners stress police and civil liability aspect
[email protected] (717) 705-7170 fax (717) 783-3278

Rep John E. Pallone
[email protected] (717) 783-1819 fax (717) 772-9984

Rep Joseph A. Petrarca - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 787-5142 fax (717) 705-2014

Rep Todd Rock - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 783-5218 fax (717) 260-6505

Rep Josh Shapiro - typically doesn’t vote with gun owners stress police and civil liability aspect
[email protected] (717) 783-7619 fax (717) 780-4754

Rep Richard R. Stevenson - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 783-6438 fax (717) 705-1949

Rep Katie True - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank her for the support
[email protected] (717) 705-7161 fax (717) 705-1946

Rep Mike Vereb - Former Police Officer
[email protected] (717) 705-7164 fax (717) 260-6522

Rep Greg S. Vitali - typically doesn’t vote with gun owners stress police and civil liability aspect
[email protected] (717) 787-7647 fax (717) 705-2089

Rep Chelsa Wagner - typically doesn’t vote with gun owners stress police and civil liability aspect
[email protected] (717) 783-1582 fax (717) 780-4755

Rep Don Walko
[email protected] (717) 787-5470 fax (717) 783-0407

Rep Ronald G. Waters- typically doesn’t vote with gun owners stress police and civil liability aspect
[email protected] (717) 772-9850 fax (717) 783-1516

Rep Jesse White - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank him for the support
[email protected] (717) 783-6437 fax call for info

Rep Deberah Kula - Current co sponsor to HB 40 thank her for the support
[email protected] (717) 772-1858 fax (717) 780-4784
 

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<span style="color: #FF0000">update 1-18-09</span>

<span style="color: #000099">Right now there are currently 121 co sponsor to Rep Scott Perry’s castle doctrine bill HB 40 (WE picked up NINE more on Nov 18-19, 2009 plus one in Jan 2010)

With that WE now have 121 sponsors of out 202 Reps (+ one vacant seat)

That also now gives US 14 of the 26 members on judiciary committee as sponsors.

On the Senate side SB 842 WE have 32 of 50 senators as sponsors.

WE currently have a majority every where to get this passed, expect that it is being held hostage in the judiciary committee by the chairman (for whatever reason).

If you want this change in laws of PA, just "hoping" its going to get it accomplished, you need to take direct action by contacting the Reps on the judiciary committee to ask this basic question of the chairman.

When are WE going to get a up or down vote on HB 40?

The public hearing section has been completed and closed, so why not a vote yet?

FYI: Its the same identical bill langauge that it has been for the last five years

Please contact additional all of these 14 Reps (out of 26) on the judiciary committee that are current co sponsors to HB 40 ask the chairman “when are we going to get a UP or Down vote on HB 40?”</span>

Brennan
Casorio
Creighton
Costa
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<span style="color: #000099">Please contact these Reps on the judiciary committee that are sitting on the fence, that are not co sponsors. The other ones well.... contact them to IF you want.</span>

Gabig
Marsico
Costa
Vereb


<span style="color: #000099">Here is a way email to contact the Reps about HB 40</span>

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/email_list.cfm?body=H

<span style="color: #000099">Also please ask your Rep about HB 40 getting a up or down vote.

here is the list of current sponsors to HB 40</span>

HB 40 – Self-protection, general principals of justifications, definitions, protection of other persons, use of force, civil immunity for use of force, sentences for firearms offenses

INTRODUCED BY PERRY, METCALFE, BAKER, BARRAR, BELFANTI, BENNINGHOFF, BOBACK, CAUSER, CREIGHTON, CUTLER, DALLY, ELLIS, FAIRCHILD, FLECK, GEIST, GEORGE, GIBBONS, GODSHALL, GRELL, GROVE, HALUSKA, HARHAI, HARRIS, HESS, HICKERNELL, HUTCHINSON, KAUFFMAN, KILLION, KORTZ, LONGIETTI, MARSHALL, MILLER, MOUL, PAYNE, PEIFER, PICKETT, PYLE, QUIGLEY, RAPP, READSHAW, REED, ROAE, ROCK, ROHRER, SAYLOR, SIPTROTH, S. H. SMITH, SOLOBAY, SONNEY, STABACK, STEVENSON, SWANGER, TRUE, TURZAI, VULAKOVICH, DENLINGER, HORNAMAN, GRUCELA, CLYMER, TALLMAN, GABLER, HARPER, MENSCH, WHITE, KOTIK, METZGAR, MAHONEY, KULA, PETRARCA, BURNS, MUSTIO, GERGELY, DeLUCA, MAHER, PETRI, KESSLER, HARHART,FARRY, MILLARD, KRIEGER, BOYD, DeWEESE, BROOKS, BEAR, SAINATO, CHRISTIANA, PHILLIPS, BEYER, GINGRICH, COX, REICHLEY, HELM, CASORIO, OBERLANDER, BARBIN, GOODMAN, REESE,SCHRODER, PERZEL , DERMODY, EVERETT, SEIP, WATSON, MAJOR,J. EVANS, BRENNAN, M. KELLER , MATZIE, Scavello, M. SMITH , G. DAY DALEY, PALLONE, DEASY, MARKOSEK, KNOWLES, MICOZZIE, MURPHY, HANNA CARROLL and D COSTA

This bill, commonly referred to as the “castle doctrine”, is very similar to ones enacted in other states which have a proven history of acting as a real deterrent to violent criminal confrontations. Under PA law currently you are required to demonstrate that you retreated or attempted to retreat from any criminal confrontation other than inside you home. This presumes that you have the time and opportunity to call the police to intervene and hopefully they will make it in time to save you. If you do anything to protect your self or property outside your homes, even IF you are still on your own property/land, to harm the criminal or protect your family from imminent attack you can be held criminally and or civilly liable for your actions, justified or not, by an over zealous DA or criminals family. This bill would provide protections against punitive lawsuits for civilians as well as off duty law enforcement officers and their families. This single proposed bill, if passed into law, will restore balance to a justice system that has for decades favored the criminal over the victim. Citizens will be ‘less’ likely to fall into harms way because of fear of losing everything if they protect themselves and criminals will be less likely to commit these acts IF they do not know if they are armed or not. It’s a really cost effective way to deter criminals, with average citizens providing added security when the police are not around.

HB 40 would provide civil immunity for the use of force against criminals without having to surrender your personal safety or to needless retreat in the face of intrusion or attack outside the person home or vehicle. This bill also provides for very strict provisions on the use of deadly force and cannot be used by anyone while they are engaged in unlawful or illegal acts, or used against a peace officer acting in the performance of their official duties
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I have little faith that the legislature won't screw this up.

An acquaintance of mine was sitting at home minding his own business, when his ex father in law, opened the door, came into his house and started screaming at and striking the ex-bro in law who was there watching a movie. The ex father in law was drunk as could be. The home owner grabbed the drunk and pushed him out the door onto the porch, where the father in law tried to choke the home owner. Homeowner bit the father in law to get him to release his hands from homeowner's throat. Troopers charged the drunk ex father in law with assaulting his own son, but also charged the home owner with "Harrassment" for biting the drunk during a domestic argument.

Cops don't like it when you do anything but run away and will charge you anyway they can. Trooper told the home owner he illegally took the law in his own hands. I'd say the trooper is a donkey's arse.

State law gives a right to repel trespassers, to come to the aid of others, and for self defense. Yet the troopers charged the home owner.
 

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You know some of these stories are getting hard to believe.
 

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John hard to believe because you can't believe a trooper would do such a thing? When I first moved here I was shocked that such a thing could happen. Now I realize that it is normal for too many LEOs in this area. tell you what, I'll invite you to the hearing in front of the magistrate. It will be in Brogue, just a bit across the river from you. If the acquaintance says it is ok, we'll even show you the charging docs for both. Hows that?

I guess growing up around WCO's who weren't anything like that gave me an unrealistic notion of right and wrong.
 

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Don't see Rep. Marsico signing on as a sponsor, since Dauphin Co. DA Ed Marsico is on record as opposing this legislation.
 

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None of the WCO's I've known personally over the years, were anything but straight shooters.

I cannot say that for all of the PSP troopers I have also known, some of which should've never been allowed to wear the uniform. Of course, there are far more PSP troopers than WCOs, so the chance for a few bad apples is far greater. And in my opinion, the WCO selection process is far better.

The three PSP troopers I grew up with (and some others I've known), were great guys and all had fine careers that they retired from.

A few others that I've also known for some time, were not much to speak of in the integrity department, nor were they particularly good people or very bright. At least two of them only "lasted" a few years and were dismissed for cause.

Just my experiences and opinions. I attach no great distinction to someone just because they've become a State Trooper, unless they deserve it. Some years ago a friend of the family that retired as a PSP Sgt. with over 30 years service, had this opinion of the way things were going when he retired: It is no longer my PA State Police. He was thoroughly disgusted with the quality of many of the people wearing the uniform.
 
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