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When I bought this rifle last year or maybe it was 2 years ago it came with fiber optic sights. Truthfully I do not like the sights at all. Maybe I'm just old fashioned. Anyway I was wondering if there are any better sights I can purchase to improve my accuracy as I just cannot seem to get any decent froups at 50 yards. A 12" group [censored]. All I want is a softball sized one at 75 yards. I have played with different powders and different loads such as round [censored] and Pa conicals. I have some power belts now to try out, but I am leary of attempting it and getting a little disgusted by all the experimenting. I am wondering if perhaps I need a different sight system?

Any suggestions?
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I may be willing to trade you my iron sights off my deer stalker
 

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I always liked the Lyman 16 AML folding rear sight with the 37 ML front white bead sight.
Have you tried a .490 roundball with a .015 patch?
 

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Retiredusne8 said:
I always liked the Lyman 16 AML folding rear sight with the 37 ML front white bead sight.
Have you tried a .490 roundball with a .015 patch?

That is what came on my Deerstalker and at first I thought I wasn't going to like it BUT after shooting it....I really like them!!!
 

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On my Lyman Deerstalker, I put a Lyman 57SML receiver peep sight. I kept the original 37 front sight on. I like this set up. Your Deerstalker should accept the 57SML without any drilling and tapping. One thing I like about the 57SML is that you can unscrew the apperature, and screw in another of a different hole size. Williams apperatures have the thread that screws right in.
 

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Retiredusne8 said:
I always liked the Lyman 16 AML folding rear sight with the 37 ML front white bead sight.
Have you tried a .490 roundball with a .015 patch?
+1 agreed!
 

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I have shot many .490 round [censored] with a.015 patch. I think I'm gonna give the powerbelts a try first and see how they stack up before I go looking for a peep sight. I cant attest to bullet performance if I cant get an accurate group first. (I gotta hit a deer first)
 

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What kind of, and how much powder are you using with the roundballs? How about your patch material and lube, what kind? How about your bore? Leading, copper fouled, or plastic fouled? Have you scrubbed it down to raw steel? I am surprised your Deerstalker won't shoot roundballs with accuracy, mine (.54) is very accurate with a roundball. .530" roundball, 90 grains FFG Goex, .018" pillow ticking patch,(I cut my own) Hoppes #9 Plus Blackpowder Solvent And Patch lube.
 

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Ive been using the Ox Yoke prelubed .015 patch and Hoppes #9 Plus Blackpowder Solvent And Patch lube. The first box of shot were .490 Hornady round [censored] with 3F Goex. I experimented between 80 and 90 gr of powder. Then I tried 2F with the same results. It was suggested I try conicals so I loaded up with Hrnady great plains at 385 gr using the same powder loads. While it improved slightly, I am by no means confident in this weapon.

Right now, I consider the purchase of this gun to be one of the worst hunting investments I ever made. I dont trust it's accuracy beyond point blank range and I find no joy at all in the constant loading, reloading, and cleaning. I can throw rocks more accurately.....
 

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What do your patches look like??? Something is not right.Are you sure you are not flinching?? My first guess would be that your patches are burning up.Need more info to help you out.Can you get a pic of your patches? 80gr of 2f with a .018 or .020 patch should shoot great out of that gun.
 

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I know this may sound like a pain in the buttocks but.....just for giggles try this.

Start with a clean gun.
1. load it and shoot.
2. run a wet patch down it, flip the patch and repeat.
3. runa dry patch down it.
4. run a lube patch down it.
5. reload
6. shoot again.

I'm not being a jerk or anything but this is a free and simple way to get feel for what's going on. Shoot it off bags also.

I'm no expert by any means but this method is exactly what I do every shot. Also, I have had numerous other friends experiencing the same issues you are follow this regimine. With the exception of the "incurable flinchers" it has worked to produce consistant groups in Lymans, TC's and even the dreaded Traditions.

The idea is to have every shot be as consistant as possible. A clean barrel shot of course is the best but as we all know in the field this may not be possible. This will get ya as close as you can without cleaning.

My son shoots the Deerstalker and I just tuned up one for a fella who was having these sae issues last year. He tried it and immediately began shooting groups. Eventually with some practice he was shooting very nice groups last season. My son is plagued with the incurable flinch I'm afraid. I have shot his gun though and it too shot very well.

Good Luck!!
 

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I have tried all of those tricks except for maybe moving up to a thicker patch. I find it hard enough to load the .015 patch so I dont really think that's the issue.

I touched upon this before and I believe it is the root of the problem. My trigger pull is extremely heavy. I just dont think I can compensate for this problem. The lyman rep I spoke with said that it is designed to be about an 8 lb trigger pull to be an authentic replication.

My advice to anyone wanting a flinter is to steer clear of any gun that does not have an adjustable trigger pull. Like the Lyman rep told me..."you should have bought a better gun".

Judging from my experience, truer words were never spoken.
I will for sure be getting rid of it after this season. I have had enough of all the messing around.
 

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An 8lb trigger is not the norm for the lymans. Someone is feeding you bull. Look at your patch!! It should look like it could be reused. If it is burned,cut,tore,or frayed that is the problem. Also your trigger on that gun should be nice and smooth not rough or heavy.
 

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Just put a Thompson Center 7194 tang sight on my deerstalker. Looks good can't wait to take it to the range looks like it should be a n improvement. Going to try it out with the factory front sight but may upgrade to a Lyman 17AEU globe. By the way any tang sight for a Thompson Center Hawken or Renegade will fit the Deerstalker.
 

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I put a Lyman peep on my deerstalker. It bolted right on in about 5 minutes. Went with the large hole peep. Allows me to see in lower light.
 

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My fix for my lyman deer stalker-I could not shoot it good at all when I bought it and hated the gun. I drilled out the flash hole twice the size of what it came,then took the trigger apart and cleaned and polished everything. I put 90gr of 3f and used 250 grain hornady sst bullets W/the plastic sabots. Fixed the gun and shoots great and also goes off twice as fast.
 

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I have an enlarged touch hole and have never had an ignition problem. I dont see how cleaning the trigger on a new gun would solve anything but I appreciate the advice.
 
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