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So in my last thread someone mentioned that a beagle club is the best option to get a dog started. My dogs are not AKC registered, which makes it hard to get them into any local clubs (no one wants to take members with unregistered dogs around here.) I recently saw online the AKC Purebred Alternative Listing program. My dogs are full beagles, I just don't have papers on them. Does anyone out there know if getting a PAL number assigned to the dogs would qualify them for AKC events at beagle clubs? I appreciate any advice in this regard!
 

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I can't help you there but you might try contacting a beagle club in your area and asking, if anyone would know they would. I am sure I have seen some beaglers post here.
 

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As Woods Walker mentioned, I would check with your nearest Beagle Club also.....I was a member of Franklin Twp. Beagle in Murrysville for a good many years. I was on the Board of Directors and was a judge at our club trials also.It was never our policy to have AKC registered beagle owners only, a beagle club is more than that, It was a place where you could take your hounds and run them at your own leisure and train them, cause there were plenty of rabbits on the grounds.

When we were looking to vote new members in ,we were also looking for members who were willing to help out around the club and make our work days or help out at some of our club trials and events, owning AKC Reg. beagles was not a priority with membership. Some members only trained there beagles to run in Field Trials, while others trained there dogs for hunting only.....I can`t help you with the PAL thing as I never herd of it. if your not looking to run trials and just hunt with them and keep them trained ,then I wouldn`t worry about the papers.....Good Luck and Good Rabbit Hunting, there`s nothing like the sound of a few hounds on a rabbit....
 

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I can't help you on the PAL number actually allowing your dogs to compete, you'd probably have to call AKC for that. If there are clubs in your area and they only accept members with AKC registered dogs just get a set of papers from someone and show them at the meeting, no one will ever know if the papers belong to your dog or not.
 

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I actually know a trial judge from a local club and I had him ask. Sounds like they will accept the PAL registration for my beagle, but that has to get past the AKC first I guess. I don't really want to, well, 'lie' my way in. Then I'd constantly be on edge that someone would find out, etc, etc... I don't mind doing some work, but it doesn't seem like the clubs around here are willing to take in new members without papers. That seems odd to me, considering I know for a fact the club I am interested in joining is shrinking quite a bit due to lack of interest. Hounds are awesome, but the time and money it takes to raise / train / run them... well, it's time and cost prohibitive to many I'm sure. I run dogs for pleasure; I'm not a real competitive guy that way. But it seems like my only route in is to participate in the field trials, at least in this area.
 

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I can't help you on the PAL number actually allowing your dogs to compete, you'd probably have to call AKC for that. If there are clubs in your area and they only accept members with AKC registered dogs just get a set of papers from someone and show them at the meeting, no one will ever know if the papers belong to your dog or not.
My papers show my name as the owner. Not sure if it is the same on everyone's?
 

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I actually know a trial judge from a local club and I had him ask. Sounds like they will accept the PAL registration for my beagle, but that has to get past the AKC first I guess. I don't really want to, well, 'lie' my way in. Then I'd constantly be on edge that someone would find out, etc, etc... I don't mind doing some work, but it doesn't seem like the clubs around here are willing to take in new members without papers. That seems odd to me, considering I know for a fact the club I am interested in joining is shrinking quite a bit due to lack of interest. Hounds are awesome, but the time and money it takes to raise / train / run them... well, it's time and cost prohibitive to many I'm sure. I run dogs for pleasure; I'm not a real competitive guy that way. But it seems like my only route in is to participate in the field trials, at least in this area.
Not sure of the club's rules, but if they will accept a registered beagle, not necessarily AKC, you can register through ARHA or UKC by going to a breed inspector.

If you don't mind throwing some money at it, you could transfer a hound from a friend, get in and transfer it back later if the club only requires an AKC hound at the time of application.

Another option would be to find someone who has a hound on puppy papers who has no intention of registering, and registering it in your name, with their permission of course.

With the lack of participation in most beagle clubs these days, you would think a club would be happy to have an active member regardless of registration, but most clubs have bi laws written 50 years ago it seems.

Which club are you trying to join?
 

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Contact AKC. They will give you the straight scoop, or try akc.org and see if you can find it yourself (on the PAL thing). As far as joining a club, some clubs have it in their bylaws that a prospective member must own, or HAVE THE INTENTION OF OWNING, an AKC registered beagle. That could get you by the AKC registered dog thing legally. As far as trialing goes with the dogs you currently have, once again, contact AKC. Did you get your beagles as pups? Were they out of AKC registered dogs? If yes to both questions, get in contact with the person you got the pups from and see if he still has the puppy papers. Depending on how old the dogs are, akc might still register them (for an inflated fee, of course). Now, what beagle clubs are near you?
 

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Of course they show your name as the owner but that's the great thing about the akc for $30 they'll put whatever name on the papers you want!
True. The AKC will do just about anything to make a buck. Just sent them $41.00 an hour ago to register my litter.
 

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I read that page lol, I just wasn't sure if anyone had any actual experience doing this. I suppose I could ask around the club to see what the bylaws actually state - by the sounds of it, no running non-registered dogs there. As far as local clubs I have tried, I tried Conemaugh Valley Beagle Club and Cambria Beagle Club. Both told me basically to stick it unless I had papered dogs because they were, quote, 'doing well enough that they didn't need to accept non-papered dogs.' I'm not kidding, exact words. I mean, I'm not angry about it, I understand how club rules work. It's just... a bit frustrating to me that's all. My female came from dogs that were, from what I understand, papered on the mother's side, but the sire was papered only one one side and was ineligible to be papered. That's actually why the guy sold the pup - I haven't regretted that purchase even for a minute. That dog runs some rabbits, let me tell you. But the end result is still that she can't be papered by the AKC thanks to her parentage on the sire side, so I'm out of luck there. I would be up for getting her papered through other means, but... I don't know anyone with papered dogs that I could do it with, and I still really don't wanna make trouble, ya know?
 

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Wish you were further North. We would love to find a young guy willing to help out. We have no members under 40.
 

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Well, maybe not exactly those words... but I most assuredly was turned down there, and I WAS told the second part, IIRC verbatim. I mean, no professional organization would tell someone to stick it, that was obviously an exaggeration. They were nice about it; I didn't mean it to sound like they were mean to me or anything because they weren't. They were very professional about it for sure. Of course I would love to join any club that would have me. Aside from my shortage of time of late, running dogs has always been pretty much my favorite thing to do in the woods!
 

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Well there ya go. Maybe John can help you out.

I've run at Conemaugh and it seems like a nice club.

Are you a member there John?
 

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I have been a member of Conemaugh Valley for 10 years or so. We certainly never tell anyone to stick it or that we are doing good enough with our membership that we don't need to take on members without registered dogs. The bottom line for us is that our bi-laws state that all members must have AKC registered dogs. We are always looking to add good members because like every other club out there people are not knocking down our doors to join. On another note John has done alot to help Conemaugh and we appreciate that very much.
 

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I have been a member of Conemaugh Valley for 10 years or so. We certainly never tell anyone to stick it or that we are doing good enough with our membership that we don't need to take on members without registered dogs. The bottom line for us is that our bi-laws state that all members must have AKC registered dogs. We are always looking to add good members because like every other club out there people are not knocking down our doors to join. On another note John has done alot to help Conemaugh and we appreciate that very much.
Maybe the OP should buy a Nellie/Aesop pup complete with papers and join your club.:grin2:
 

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Lol. If he did he could join. We are always looking for good members so if he decided to go that route he would have the AKC dog thing covered and just might end up with a ---- fine hunting dog.
 
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