[Valkyrie]

as i have said before, if you have done nothing wrong, what are you worried about. anymore you want people to show drivers license to vote so why is this any different. as for charging for the background check, i dont agree with that. if they want to do a background check it should be on retailer selling the ammo. have they figured out how long it will take to do background checks for ammo and how many sales they will lose because of the time a customer will have to wait. i have no problem showing my ID to buy ammo. i remember back when you had to show ID if you bought ammo that could be used in both rifle and handguns.

And this is exactly why these laws creep in. Folks like this that are complacent and complicit in the erosion of our freedoms. It is the result of political indoctrination and milquetoast attitudes.

Regardless whether I have anything to hide or not, it’s my business what I do. May the police search your home at will? If you’ve nothing to hide, why not? Should the government demand you I stall a breath machine in your car just to make sure you don’t drive drunk even though you have never been charged with the crime in your life? You show ID to vote so as not to corrupt the voting process by voting more than once, not being eligible, not because you might be a criminal.

this country is doomed because of attitudes exactly like this. It’s ignorant, obtuse and reflects a poor understanding of the founding of our republic and the principles on which it is based. People vote for politicians they seem as common sense and easy. Then wonder what the **** happened.

 

[Valkyrie]

as i reload for all my firearms and have been a reloading supplies packrat for years, i,m good to go for the rest of my hunting-shooting life. if you don,t reload you will pay the price. if limited to one rifle it would be a 30-06 and pack in case-bullets in 125-150-180 grain weight and primers-powder. then you would be ready for ground hog-deer-bear in pa.

umm. This isn’t anything to do with being able to hunt or shoot recreationally. You have no right to hunt or recreationally target shoot. You only have a right to bear arms in self defense and defense against tyranny.

again and again the same narrow minded views emerge.
Wake up folks. The left, they’re communists. They want to disarm the populace at any chance. It stands in their way. Every gun law ever enacted was designed to incrementally disarm the citizenry. Communism is a long game and anyone who cannot see this is playing along.
Buy ammo. As much as you can. Reload for it as much as you can. Store it. Stockpile it and pray a call to arms never comes. Because as soon as you give it up, that’s when you’ll need it.

 

[338/378wm]

umm. This isn’t anything to do with being able to hunt or shoot recreationally. You have no right to hunt or recreationally target shoot. You only have a right to bear arms in self defense and defense against tyranny.

again and again the same narrow minded views emerge.
Wake up folks. The left, they’re communists. They want to disarm the populace at any chance. It stands in their way. Every gun law ever enacted was designed to incrementally disarm the citizenry. Communism is a long game and anyone who cannot see this is playing along.
Buy ammo. As much as you can. Reload for it as much as you can. Store it. Stockpile it and pray a call to arms never comes. Because as soon as you give it up, that’s when you’ll need it.

I understand the right not to hunt but where in the Constitution does it say I do not have the right to target shoot with the arms I can bear? What law says that?

 

[Valkyrie]

I understand the right not to hunt but where in the Constitution does it say I do not have the right to target shoot with the arms I can bear? What law says that?

If it isn’t in there then it doesn’t exist. That’s partly the reason civilian militias were formed and the establishment of the NRA so as to provide an organized and legally protected training in arms for the citizenry.

 

[limbhnger10]

...Life...Liberty...and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

[338/378wm]

If it isn’t in there then it doesn’t exist. That’s partly the reason civilian militias were formed and the establishment of the NRA so as to provide an organized and legally protected training in arms for the citizenry.

I still do not understand what you are saying. Are you saying I cant target shoot with an arm I can bear by the second amendment? What are you even talking about with the citizenry and militias? So can I legally target shoot on my property? because you say it is not my right under the second amendment of my right to bear arms.

 

[Valkyrie]

I still do not understand what you are saying. Are you saying I cant target shoot with an arm I can bear by the second amendment? What are you even talking about with the citizenry and militias? So can I legally target shoot on my property? because you say it is not my right under the second amendment of my right to bear arms.

I’m saying that target shooting as a sport like hunting is not a constitutionally protected right. Training with firearms for defense of yourself and as part of a militia is, as spelled out in the second amendment. Militias were the armed citizens that could be called to arms when the nation was founded. We enjoy shooting sports because they are established for many reasons but you have no constitutional right to them. But I guess to your question, yes you can shoot the arms that you bear as being “well regulated”. At least this is my understanding. I’m not a lawyer or constitutional scholar though.

 

[limbhnger10]

I’m not a lawyer or constitutional scholar though.

Thank goodness.

 

[338/378wm]

I’m saying that target shooting as a sport like hunting is not a constitutionally protected right. Training with firearms for defense of yourself and as part of a militia is, as spelled out in the second amendment. Militias were the armed citizens that could be called to arms when the nation was founded. We enjoy shooting sports because they are established for many reasons but you have no constitutional right to them. But I guess to your question, yes you can shoot the arms that you bear as being “well regulated”. At least this is my understanding. I’m not a lawyer or constitutional scholar though.

Im glad you are not a lawyer as I think your interpretation is way off. Target shooting is not a sport. Sport. Where is training spelled out in the constitution on the second amendment? What are the reasons we all enjoy these shooting sports for many reasons? I can bear arms so I can shoot my arms correct? You really make no sense with your militia nonsense.

 

[Valkyrie]

Im glad you are not a lawyer as I think your interpretation is way off. Target shooting is not a sport. Sport. Where is training spelled out in the constitution on the second amendment? What are the reasons we all enjoy these shooting sports for many reasons? I can bear arms so I can shoot my arms correct? You really make no sense with your militia nonsense.

“a well regulated militia.”

It’s not my nonsense, bunch of guys in Philly a couple hundred years ago came up with that one.

There is historical interpretation that this meant a well trained and armed citizenry, meaning we the armed civilians. The second amendments sole existence is to protect our ability to defend ourselves individually and against the tyrannical forces of our own government.

there is a massive amount of literature on this. Do a google scholar search on the subject and you can read it for yourself. I’m not making it up. And no I’m not a lawyer. All I’m saying is that hunting etc is not constitutionally protected nor is a shooting sport. Now if you want to say that you are training and bearing your arms as a citizen that may be called to arms in defense of self and state then that’s different but as far as I’m aware, you have no right to compete in a clay pigeon match for instance. Of course it goes to say you can practice self defense but that’s avery Blurry line. And it is constantly being challenged by the left where we hear the argument that nobody needs an AR15 to target shoot or to hunt etc. then it falls back to the intent of the second amendment protections.

 

[338/378wm]

“a well regulated militia.”

It’s not my nonsense, bunch of guys in Philly a couple hundred years ago came up with that one.

There is historical interpretation that this meant a well trained and armed citizenry, meaning we the armed civilians. The second amendments sole existence is to protect our ability to defend ourselves individually and against the tyrannical forces of our own government.

there is a massive amount of literature on this. Do a google scholar search on the subject and you can read it for yourself. I’m not making it up. And no I’m not a lawyer. All I’m saying is that hunting etc is not constitutionally protected nor is a shooting sport. Now if you want to say that you are training and bearing your arms as a citizen that may be called to arms in defense of self and state then that’s different but as far as I’m aware, you have no right to compete in a clay pigeon match for instance. Of course it goes to say you can practice self defense but that’s avery Blurry line. And it is constantly being challenged by the left where we hear the argument that nobody needs an AR15 to target shoot or to hunt etc. then it falls back to the intent of the second amendment protections.

Ok so what if I want to shoot targets? Im not talking about shooting sports. Im talking about shooting my bear arms guns. Is that legal? Im not training for the civilian army in defense of the state as I am not a conspiracy theorist. What if I am not competing in anything and just target shooting? Do I have to do anything different? Do I have to wear a tin foil hat?

 

[Valkyrie]

Ok so what if I want to shoot targets? Im not talking about shooting sports. Im talking about shooting my bear arms guns. Is that legal? Im not training for the civilian army in defense of the state as I am not a conspiracy theorist. What if I am not competing in anything and just target shooting? Do I have to do anything different? Do I have to wear a tin foil hat?

hard to really say. Government, state and local municipalities regulate target shooting all over. It’s completely illegal in some jurisdictions to discharge a firearm period. In some it’s a hassle of red tape and in others it’s a free for all.

my personal feelings. there should be no regulations on firearms. The second amendment is the most attacked and dissected of all. Nobody questions our right to assembly or not incriminate ourselves but guns? Well all kinds of stuff goes on. It’s is a persecution of gun owners that revocation of second amendment rights are set at a very low bar in the criminal code, where even Charles Manson enjoyed freedom of speech. If you are rehabilitated well enough to walk as a free man then you should t have any weights tied to your legs.

 

[338/378wm]

hard to really say. Government, state and local municipalities regulate target shooting all over. It’s completely illegal in some jurisdictions to discharge a firearm period. In some it’s a hassle of red tape and in others it’s a free for all.

my personal feelings. there should be no regulations on firearms. The second amendment is the most attacked and dissected of all. Nobody questions our right to assembly or not incriminate ourselves but guns? Well all kinds of stuff goes on. It’s is a persecution of gun owners that revocation of second amendment rights are set at a very low bar in the criminal code, where even Charles Manson enjoyed freedom of speech. If you are rehabilitated well enough to walk as a free man then you should t have any weights tied to your legs.

I dont understand the charles manson and I dont understand the walking of a free man. Can I plink in my back yard as a free citizen? do I have that right? I do not have any weights tied to my legs.Also I have to say where recently have yoyur second amendment rights bee stepped on? I can still buy a gun anywhere and ammo. Where have your rights been stepped on?

 

[Deus]

If you are rehabilitated well enough to walk as a free man then you should t have any weights tied to your legs.

Absolutely! I agree 100%.

 

[JMack]

I have no problem showing ID to buy guns or ammo. However any background checks should be tied to a real ID issued by the state and not cost the purchaser or seller. If real ID can be used to board aircraft and access government buildings without another background check each time it should be good enough to buy guns and ammo.
With computer systems today it should not be that difficult or expensive to have almost up to the hour updates that clear in seconds. All court cases, convictions, acquittals or filings could be flagged before anyone leaves the courthouse. Temporary holds for suspects can also be updated in real time and cleared up quickly with a visit to or by the police that entered the data.
Adding a fee or tax to a background check is nothing more than harassment from anti gun/anti hunter activist. Waugh!

We already have to show an id for fishing or hunting licenses. They already use that to track dead beat parents who are not paying child support too. An id whether real or the old ones means nothing other than identifying you. Also you can run background checks all day long but until a person is officially convicted, nothing shows on their records. I have seen that exact situation working with a guy that decided not tell anyone he was arrested for child pornography but had not been through the court system yet. Still had a job with a full government security clearance that is well beyond a simple background check.

 

[aubie515]

This does not surprise me one bit and I bet all the FUDDs in PA, will be alright with a background check for ammo. The only ammo I cannot make is 22LR/22WMR.

Those that don't reload, you need to learn.

 

[Traderdave]

Here we go. Hard enough finding ammo last hunting season, now we may have to furnish ID and a background check for all ammo, if this passes?

Pennsylvania lawmakers propose ID, background check requirement for ammunition

HARRISBURG, Pa. (WHTM) – Two Pennsylvania lawmakers are proposing background checks and ID requirements to purchase ammunition. State Senators Art Haywood (D-Montgomery/Philadelphia) and John…

www.abc27.com

Typical Democrat....keep voting for them and we will all be screwed. Shapiro & Fetterman.....PRICELESS!

 

[Coureur De Bois]

This does not surprise me one bit and I bet all the FUDDs in PA, will be alright with a background check for ammo. The only ammo I cannot make is 22LR/22WMR.

Those that don't reload, you need to learn.

And what makes you think you can buy reloading materials without the background check?

 

[jimbridger]

We already have to show an id for fishing or hunting licenses. They already use that to track dead beat parents who are not paying child support too. An id whether real or the old ones means nothing other than identifying you. Also you can run background checks all day long but until a person is officially convicted, nothing shows on their records. I have seen that exact situation working with a guy that decided not tell anyone he was arrested for child pornography but had not been through the court system yet. Still had a job with a full government security clearance that is well beyond a simple background check.

So what is the problem showing ID to buy ammo? As long as the background check is free and quick I do not have a problem with it. Do you?
Temp holds can be placed in a background system for those arrested and charged which is fine as long as the system corrects when charges that warrant a buy stop are dropped or dismissed.
Like I said once convicted the system could be updated before anyone leaves the courthouse.
As far as your example of someone arrested for a crime, ( in your example it was child porn) I stand firm that we are all innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That is why a jury or judge will claim you guilty or not guilty and never say you are innocent of a crime. We are all innocent until proven otherwise. Why would you want to prevent a innocent person from buying ammo? Why would you want to have someone lose a job until proven guilty?

I just don't understand your concept. Yes the ID is to identify you and the background check is to see if you are allowed to purchase ammo. What am I missing? Waugh!

 

[jimbridger]

This does not surprise me one bit and I bet all the FUDDs in PA, will be alright with a background check for ammo. The only ammo I cannot make is 22LR/22WMR.

Those that don't reload, you need to learn.

Yes us Fudds will be ok with it and the wannabees will be making a buzzing noise that they can only understand. Waugh!