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First link is from "gunshowundercover" and is my good friend who owns a gun shop in Rogers, Ohio at a gun show in Niles, Ohio....he is being dealt with by private investigators. he was one of very few that passed the FFL integrity test for straw purchases. his deal is on page 23.....he said he had no idea they were investigators.

http://www.gunshowundercover.org/images/...over_report.pdf

second link is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgGaJvcMxM&feature=channel


somehow he saw himself on CNN and started investigating and found himself online....pretty neat.
 

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wanted to add....my buddy is the bald guy! lol
 

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adudeuknow said:
...my good friend who owns a gun shop in Rogers, Ohio at a gun show in Niles, Ohio....he is being dealt with by private investigators. he was one of very few that passed the FFL integrity test for straw purchases. ...
Clearly being from NYC, they were out of their jurisdiction.

My question, is what the investigators doing illegal?

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seeing that this was conducted by the city of NY, I would not put a lot of faith in the results being honest..
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...or the summation being heavily skewed toward anti-gun propaganda.
 

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just on anderson cooper 15 minutes ago on CNN....old mayor bloomberg is really pushing and for good reason it appears....lots of illegal gun sales going on out there.

and no they weren't out of their jurisdiction.....they were working with the ATF all the way west out to reno, nevada because such a high percentage of guns in the state were not purchased there.
 

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adudeuknow said:
....lots of illegal gun sales going on out there.
What is a lot? Last time I checked, very few gun traces went back to a gun show sale. More were traced to a flea market (2006 stats).


I think you've bought into the myth that gun shows sales are a big problem.
 

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chucks....i love gun shows and am all for them...i even work them a bit for my friend when he needs help.

i have personally witnessed a ton of shady people....especially in the columbus, oh area.....they will sell you anything regardless of whether you told them you were allowed to own a gun or not.
 

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Complements to your friend he is above board and a credit to gun ownership. The 74% that failed are the problem that is way to much, just greed.
 

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Maybe I am misinformed.If you buy a handgun at a gun show it still needs to be transferred correct?Long guns do not need to be transferred but if you bought one from me it would be.This is why ammo is drying up.Buying a gun you can't buy ammo for is worthless.The black market will still have guns and ammo though.The "straw purchases" may well be black market dealers portraying themselves as legal enterprises.I saw part of the tv crap and people bought handguns with no back ground check.They may have made it seem that way.The media seems to make things fit the current agenda they have.I ca't watch to far into a liberal show because it sickens me.
 

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how would you like to be one of the guys committing a felony for everyone to see on CNN?

anything to make a buck for some of these people!
 

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A good freind of mine who used to do the hunting/fishing shows tour all over selling his hand carved wooden trout (he does it on Ebay now) was offered a Geman MP40 submachine gun at a flea market with no papers no questions asked kind of thing. He just said sorry not interested and walked away quickly, but a lot of that does go on and those who partake reap what they sow ...
 

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The liberal media is BS- some of those gun dealers didn't care and did allow straw purchases with folks who clearly stated they wouldn't pass a background check, etc- lets come down harder on them than the liberal media that exposed them. If we clean up our own act they'll be much less of this and the public at large will be able to see through the slander, but much of this is not slander or manipulation- I agree we don't need more laws and to enforce those we have- but many of you folks dismiss the responsibility of those breaking the laws and head right towards the liberal media or corrupt NYC officials. They want to take our rights- well the knuckleheads skirting the law are more of a problem for our gun rights than the government or media- they provide the ammunition to those who would limit our rights needlessly. Keystonepaul
 

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Yep. enforce the laws we have, likie the York County logger who is prohibited from possessing firearms, but made straw purchases and private purchases through the classifieds. He was caught tiwht 27 firearms, 7 or 8 of which were listed as stolen. York County Judge gave him 3 yrs probation. Boy don't that send a message?
 

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A good freind of mine who used to do the hunting/fishing shows tour all over selling his hand carved wooden trout (he does it on Ebay now) was offered a Geman MP40 submachine gun at a flea market with no papers no questions asked kind of thing. He just said sorry not interested and walked away quickly, but a lot of that does go on and those who partake reap what they sow ...
He should have reported it to the police if it was a functioning weapon.
 

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He should have reported it to the police if it was a functioning weapon.
Pretty sure he did not, but I think he knew the guy and did not want to rat him out.
 

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Yes however there is alot of paperwork red tape to go through to buy one. You can't just pay cash for one and walk away with it at a flea market. I believe you are required to be fingerprinted and have a judge or sheriff approval before you can take possession of it.
 

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There are two ways to obtain full autos. The first is an individual process.

You must have the following:

2 Form 4s.
2 photographs of yourself attached to the Form 4s.
The CLEO must sign the form 4s. (usually the County Sheriff, but there are others that can qualify).
2 Fingerprintcards.
1 Citizenship form.
$200.00 check or money order for the tax stamp.

All of these things are sent together in one packet.

One other thing you must have is patience. The transfers are taking 60-90 days right now. My last one took 90 days exactly. The BATFE is a federal agency and they do not get in a hurry.

The forms are available either online at http://www.atf.gov Or, the BATFE website gives you a toll-free number to call and you can actually speak to a human.

If you find an individual in the same state as you who has a full auto that they want to sell, no dealer is required. All you have to do is fill out the paperwork and send it in to BATFE and wait for the return of the Form 4 and it's yours.

If it is in another state, it must be transferred from a dealer in that state to a dealer in your state and then to you through the dealer in your state. This will result in the payment of two transfer taxes and whatever fees the dealers charge for the transfer and the shipping.

The other method is to form a trust. I know very little about this method cause I've never done it. The advantages of a trust is that you do not have to have fingerprint cards, pictures or CLEO signatures.


There are thousands out there, but they can be expensive. Thanks to a change in the law May 19, 1986, there is no further new manufacture of fully automatic weapons available to the public. Anything created after this date is considered "Post 86" manufactured and can only be sold to Law Enforcement agencies (not individual officers) or to the Military.
 
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