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Just wondering where this Houston Astros scandal is going to lead. So far it appears that the whole thing is being handled badly.
Listening to sports talk radio and it sounds as if the leadership of the sport are not going to do much in the way of "punishing" the Astros. But the other teams (especially the ones that were directly impacted) are going to take pretty drastic action at game times.
Should be a pretty interesting year for MLB if anyone still cares.
 

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and dont let any of them in the hall of fame for life too. if its good enough for Pete Rose, its good enough for them. i still think pro sports have criminals and are corrupt at every level and the ruling commission just looks the other way as long as the media pressure stays low.
heck...they even let convicted criminals back on the teams after they get out of jail. sends a nice message to our children.
 

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ok...i looked into this and apparently the scandal involves what MLB is calling cheating. the astros allegedly stole "signs" from other teams using technology for at least two years ?


i took that to mean they know whats coming when the other teams signal to the players. like tapping your nose twice and wiping your hat signals something and now the Astros know what that means.


thats not cheating. its no different than someone taking your photo even if you dont want them to and its legal because you are out in public, the courts said this is ok.
so, if MLB is doing this in public and the Astros film it or capture it and study it and learn from it...whats so different ? they did it in public and the Astros paid attention.


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As long as players keep hitting homeruns with the juiced balls nearly anything will pass... It is big scores and longballs that fill the stands. Only a few diehard fans want to see a pitchers duel. Steroids and homeruns is what SAVED MLB from collapse just a decade or 2 ago. They knew it back then but chose to ignore it as their numbers and viewers grew. Only after the fan base was back and players washed up/retired was something done...
Its not about right and wrong, moral or unjust... it is all about MONEY!
Houston has the 5th largest television market in the US. That is HUGE money for MLB. Anything more than a slap on the wrist will hit them too hard in their fat deep pockets.
 

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I expect the umpires will be ready and as soon as the first Astro is hit with a pitch it will be an automatic ejection, no warnings.

It looks like the MLB isn't going to do anything so it's really left to the managers to decide on whether or not they will allow their team to retaliate. No matter what happens, it will be interesting to see how the unfolds. also, I will be watching the first televised Astros game.



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I agree WADMAN but Houston is 8th not 5th.



No bohunr stealing signs is as old as the game but using technology to do it is taking it beyond the human element. Teams change signs when a runner is on second. thus the game is balanced. If the people in the batters box are told what to look for they now hold the advantage. Ball parks are not really out in public because you have to pay to get inside. But I don't think that has anything to do with the use of technology to get an unfair advantage. Card counting is banned in casinos for the same reason. Waugh!
 

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I always wondered why a team that stunk up the place in the National league was such a success in the American league. Waugh!
 

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ok...i looked into this and apparently the scandal involves what MLB is calling cheating. the astros allegedly stole "signs" from other teams using technology for at least two years ?


i took that to mean they know whats coming when the other teams signal to the players. like tapping your nose twice and wiping your hat signals something and now the Astros know what that means.


thats not cheating. its no different than someone taking your photo even if you dont want them to and its legal because you are out in public, the courts said this is ok.
so, if MLB is doing this in public and the Astros film it or capture it and study it and learn from it...whats so different ? they did it in public and the Astros paid attention.


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bo - they were stealing catcher's signals to the pitcher during the game....so the batters knew what pitch was coming before the pitcher threw it. Not doing it the old fashioned way with a guy on second base trying to pick up the signs, but with cameras and other technology.
 

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I agree WADMAN but Houston is 8th not 5th.



No bohunr stealing signs is as old as the game but using technology to do it is taking it beyond the human element. Teams change signs when a runner is on second. thus the game is balanced. If the people in the batters box are told what to look for they now hold the advantage. Ball parks are not really out in public because you have to pay to get inside. But I don't think that has anything to do with the use of technology to get an unfair advantage. Card counting is banned in casinos for the same reason. Waugh!
bo - they were stealing catcher's signals to the pitcher during the game....so the batters knew what pitch was coming before the pitcher threw it. Not doing it the old fashioned way with a guy on second base trying to pick up the signs, but with cameras and other technology.

i understand that. but, as i said, if they can take your picture in public against your wishes, whats the difference if they capture your signals or your image ?
instead of complaining about it, just do the same to them.
 

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i understand that. but, as i said, if they can take your picture in public against your wishes, whats the difference if they capture your signals or your image ?
instead of complaining about it, just do the same to them.
I don't know...maybe cuz two wrongs don't make a right? Eye for an eye for some folks I suppose....but illegal is also illegal. Why should other teams be forced to be illegal to keep up?
 

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"using technology to do it" as jimbridger pointed out is, I believe, over the line in terms of what is acceptable cheating. Whenever technology is used that is anything other than using HUMAN abilities to capture signs - then it's unacceptable. As far as I am concerned that includes binoculars and cell phones.

Baseball has outlawed the Spitball but gives a pass to guys wearing wires and getting signals from spies. No thanks.

Also, this technology could lead to players getting zapped when it rains.
 

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Maybe managers should send signs in from the dug out like Chip Kelly did with the Eagles. Maybe ear buds for the pitcher and catcher and ear plugs in all batter helmets.


Under the new rule. If a pitcher throws at the first Astro batter and is ejected does he still have to throw at the next 2 batters before being replaced? Asking for a friend. Waugh!
 

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It's definitely against the rules to use technology to steal signs in the MLB. Some or all of the batters were getting signals on which pitch was coming. Extreme advantage.

No different than the Patriots taping teams in football. Rules are rules.

I keep reading comments from Astro fans on sports articles that everyone is doing it. Maybe so but they haven't got caught. That is were the difference ends.

The commissioner is a clown for letting this all go. When you do this teams that were cheated are going to take matters in to their own hands. Pitchers hitting batters, dirty slides, etc. I'll bet those players get suspended immediately. This guy needs to go and I am not even a big baseball fan.

Some big name players are stating their disgust in his handling of this. Arguably the best player in baseball, Mike Trout, has spoken out.

I doubt they could prove which players cheated so they can't suspend them all. I believe that all Astros players should have to return their playoff bonus money and the team should be extremely heavily fined and stripped of some draft picks for X amount of years.
 

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i understand that. but, as i said, if they can take your picture in public against your wishes, whats the difference if they capture your signals or your image ?
instead of complaining about it, just do the same to them.

They're not taking someone's picture, they're taking a picture of the catcher's crotch and whether he's holding down 1, 2, or 3 fingers and if it's "1", meaning a fastball, they whacked a metal trash can just beyond the dugout view. Or as many more now believe, some of them were wearing a small buzzer taped to their chest that vibrated when the pitch was known. If a batter at the ML level knows what pitch is coming it is a distinct advantage. Altuve knew Chapman was throwing a fastball. He didn't have to worry about spin rotation and will the ball dive away like a curveball at the last instant. NO, hit the buzzer and just tee off on the ball, which is what Altuve did. Homerun, game over, Astro's go to WS, the Yanks go home. They stole, and cheated, their way into a WS title. I don't believe any of them when they said they "didn't know what was going on". :rolleyes: They're on a 25 man team and they all knew. Further, ALL the teams were warned prior to the 2017 season to NOT engage in electronic spying. The Astro's claim that they never got the memo is ludicrous. Take the title away. If an Olympic athlete cheats, he loses his medal. Just look at Lance Armstrong.
 

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Vegas has already come out with the odds on Astros plunking this season. The over/under is 83.5. That's one plunking every other game! Paybacks are a *****!
 

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Vegas has already come out with the odds on Astros plunking this season. The over/under is 83.5. That's one plunking every other game! Paybacks are a *****!
And this is another angle. If the boys in Vegas get "Played" then someone/s are going for a one way hike in the desert. Now THAT is a different kind of plunking.

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They're not taking someone's picture, they're taking a picture of the catcher's crotch and whether he's holding down 1, 2, or 3 fingers and if it's "1", meaning a fastball, they whacked a metal trash can just beyond the dugout view. Or as many more now believe, some of them were wearing a small buzzer taped to their chest that vibrated when the pitch was known. If a batter at the ML level knows what pitch is coming it is a distinct advantage. Altuve knew Chapman was throwing a fastball. He didn't have to worry about spin rotation and will the ball dive away like a curveball at the last instant. NO, hit the buzzer and just tee off on the ball, which is what Altuve did. Homerun, game over, Astro's go to WS, the Yanks go home. They stole, and cheated, their way into a WS title. I don't believe any of them when they said they "didn't know what was going on". :rolleyes: They're on a 25 man team and they all knew. Further, ALL the teams were warned prior to the 2017 season to NOT engage in electronic spying. The Astro's claim that they never got the memo is ludicrous. Take the
title away. If an Olympic athlete cheats, he loses his medal. Just look at Lance Armstrong.
Soj...The pitch Altuve doinked Chapman was not a fastball. Meaning the buzzer did not go off so he knew a fastball was not coming. Huge advantage. Take a look at Altuve's batting average at home vs on the road the last 2 years. Unbelievable. The one part that ticks me off, and I agree with you, is that all the players knew but no one is getting on the Astro pitchers. They knew what was going on as well and did not care. Gerritt Cole, check out his home stats, he parlayed this knowledge of cheating into a 350 million dollar gig with the Yankees.
 
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