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LIES, MISINFORMATION AND FEAR MONGERING:
The amount of inaccurate statements, dis-proven material, incomplete "studies," exaggerations and flat out lies that are being expressed from anti-gas activists are currently at an all-time high. We have heard all the claims that drilling causes earthquakes to the more recent, fracking kills chickens and causes cats to urinate blood (honestly, we don't make this stuff up!).
 

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Anti-gas drillers advocating domestic terrorism If you haven't yet reached the point where you are [censored] off about the anti-gas drilling distortions, mistruths, spun facts, omissions, inflations, hyperbole, and outright lies, then this may well get you there.

Threats of domestic terrorism.

There was an article posted online by the Middletown Times Herald-Record, in which the following was posted by a Monticello, NY businessman:
 

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I think the major concern is because of the way the drillers are rushing to get so much drilling done so fast.

Is the rush to avoid taxes that might be put on them if any other man was governor right now or is there something they are worried may shut them down for a while when it becomes public.

I am all for increasing the use of natural gas but it sure seems fishy when they give Corbett soooooo much money and then he taxes the industry less than any other state has done in the past. Are these misconceptions, partial truth, or facts?

The gas companies seem to be less regulated than someone trying to get a septic system passed. Is this another misconception. most of the public does not know the facts and are suspiciaous of the relationship between the energy comps. and our gov.
 

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Earthquakes have been caused in the past by injection wells and the current Ohio quakes (the lastest 4.0 yesterday) in the Youngstown area according to officals have been caused by an injection well. The well has been shut down. It is a rare occurance though. Where are the lies regarding the Ohio quakes?

"Officials said Saturday they believe the latest earthquake activity in northeast Ohio is related to the injection of wastewater into the ground near a fault line, creating enough pressure to cause seismic activity"

Zehringer said four injection wells within a five-mile radius of an already shuttered well in Youngstown will remain inactive while further scientific research is conducted.

A 4.0 magnitude quake Saturday afternoon in McDonald, outside of Youngstown, was the 11th in a series of minor earthquakes in area, many of which have struck near the Youngstown injection well. The quake caused no serious injuries or property damage, Zehringer said.
 

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hdt said:
I am all for increasing the use of natural gas but it sure seems fishy when they give Corbett soooooo much money and then he taxes the industry less than any other state has done in the past. Are these misconceptions, partial truth, or facts
misconception

The gas companies seem to be less regulated than someone trying to get a septic system passed. Is this another misconception.
definitely
 

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hdt said:
I am all for increasing the use of natural gas but it sure seems fishy when they give Corbett soooooo much money and then he taxes the industry less than any other state has done in the past. Are these misconceptions, partial truth, or facts
misconception
http://marcellusmoney.org/
The top recipient remains Governor Tom Corbett, with a total $1,634,096 in contributions from the natural gas industry.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/corbett-natural-gas-tax-could-hurt-pa-1.1120478#axzz1iFudnUBn
Corbett opposes the natural gas severance tax
Critics of Corbett's budget argue a natural gas tax would not chase away the industry because Pennsylvania is the only state with no local or state severance tax and companies will not leave billions of dollars in potential profits in the ground.
 

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What are the facts?
If the state is in as much trouble as is being claimed by Corbett we should get at least what is fair for the state. The drilling copanyies are using our services from roaads to police forces, and jails.

The gas is here-it's not like they can just stay home.

Is it not true that most of the $$ is going outside of PA.

When they(the energy companies) do all they can to put the right people(for them) in political positions from town councils to the govenor of the state, something needs a great deall of inspection.

The only reason I see a need for the big rush to drill as much and as fast as they can is to avoid closer scutiny that may come in the future.

We need Facts and complete disclosure. Things certainly do not look like they are on the up and up when they seem to be done in secracy.
 

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g17, I appreciate the info.

I do not want to be told that I am being fed lies without being supplied with the proof.
 

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The severance tax failed under Rendell Administration...It has never been brought to a vote in the current administration.

Corbett ran for the office of Governor opposing the severance tax. He was elected to the Office and has kept the campaign pledge thus far. He is considering an impact fee of which there are currently two different versions in contention.

Counties are charged with permitting septic systems and the enforcement is done at a municipal level... How many bonds does a homeowner post to apply for a septic permit?
 

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the people don't want new taxes, they want a responsible gov't.

I didn't have to get a bond for my septic, besides sand mounds are a joke!

The anti's are trying to get money anyway they can. I recieved a mailing the other day from pennfuture wanting money, that went straight in the woodburner!
 

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And responsible government should be sure that our water is kept safe. And those who damage the roads we built should pay to replce them.

Do you feel they should come here from Tx or Ok make billions from our resources and take it all back to their state? Would they let a co. from PA do that? Maybe if we paid to put their governor in office.

I think the tax payer has every right to expect the gas/oil interests pay their fair share. The state certainly sees that they take a good slice of all of our paychecks.
 

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the companys are fixing roads. a lot of the resources they make off these wells go to giant investment groups not to tx or ok. they are putting money in the local economy than can be imagined.

I can tell you're getting any revenue from a well!
 

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And responsible government should be sure that our water is kept safe. And those who damage the roads we built should pay to replce them.

Do you feel they should come here from Tx or Ok make billions from our resources and take it all back to their state? Would they let a co. from PA do that? Maybe if we paid to put their governor in office.

I think the tax payer has every right to expect the gas/oil interests pay their fair share. The state certainly sees that they take a good slice of all of our paychecks.

Chesapeake has spent around 200 million dollars rebuilding roads around here. We have better roads now than we have ever had. Chesapeake is just one of several gas companys spending millions on road construction in this state.
The average truck running these roads pays around $10,000 per year in highway use tax to fund road construction as well.
 

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I have unlimited gas to my home right now-maybe $ to come later.
If we are making all the $$$ they claim why is the state in such terrible finacial shape?
A Why do other states tax the gas companies more than pa?

Do the water trucks have to bond the roads they haul over?

If there was more clarity in what the companies pay the state compared to what they pay every other state there would not be nearly the suspicion. And when the gov seems so protective of an industry that gave him so much money it seems more than a bit so shadey.

I, and many others, would just like to know the whole truth. If everything is on the up and up and all measures are being take to protect our forest and water, I am all for getting and using the gas.
 

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if a road is posted at 10 ton, then any truck running on that road, that weighs over 10 ton, has to running under a bond. the exception is for local delivery.
water trucks have bonds , but gas companys are the ones who bond the roads, then give copys and necessary paper work to water,sand,rig moving,dump,equipment moving..etc trucks to run under gas company bond.
bottom line is the gas comps pay for any road damage.

i believe this state was in bad finacial shape before gas comps came to town. don't see how you can blame them for the finacial shape were in ?
do you think it is the responsability of the natural gas business to turn PA's financial condition around?
 

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One of the twp. supervisors where my camp is, told me last year that they were waiting for more 10 ton limit signs to post more twp. roads.

IIRC, they were getting them through PADOT and there weren't any to be had, due to demand for them.

As for road bonding/repairs, the drilling companies have done an outstanding job on twp. gravel roads up in that area. Many of the "traditional" annual bad spots are now much better, because they've been dug up/repaired with crushed limestone by the drillers' contractors.

Two years ago they graded almost all of the gravel roads in the twp. Even the ones that hadn't been bonded and had seen no gas truck usage. If they had to go down an unbonded road to get to the next bonded one, they just graded as they went.

Road past my camp is the best it's ever been and I've been around there most of my life.
 

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About 5 or 6 years ago, no one even heard about the Marcellus Shale. Now, people want it to rescue the state's finances, infrastructure, schools, housing, Game and Fish Commission budgets, among other things. Along with the enviro hypocrites ( the same people who think meat comes from the store, and their power and internet service come from some magical place that doesn't rely on resource use) who don't want any of it to happen.

The misinformation, and "sky is falling" rhetoric is astounding.
 

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I don't balme them for the finacial troubles , but it seems as though they are not being asked to pay at least what they pay in other states. Corbett says the police , schools etc must be cut, maybe they should but cutting while not get revenues that are resonably due the state is not only unresonable, but stupid.

Fixing roads that you damage is a zero sum benifit to residents of the state.

Why do they pay less tax here than elsewhere? (if this is a myth being spread by the "greenies" please give facts that diaspute it so we will not remain in the dark)

It's GREAT that they are here providing jobs and finding energy supplies, but it is in no way a philanthropic effort--they will make BILLIONS just as they should. They should also pay taxes at a rate that is fair to all Pennsylvanians.

It appears to many in the state that the energy companies are being treated as if they are doing us a great favor by exploiting our resources with little benifit to us.
 
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