[Many Scalps]

I want too share this with members. It is from Rep. Gordon Denlinger 99 dis. Thank you for contacting me to share support for HB> 375, The Right To Bear Arms Protection Act & Your concerns with additional gun laws & Federal intrusion on our 2nd Ae. rights. As a cosponsor of HB. 375 , I am encouraged by your e-mail & messages from many other consforcing the laws we already have.. asking me to fight infringements on our constitutional rights. I refuse to buy jinto the argument that passing more gun laws is a viable solution to the prolem. Historically we have not done a good job of enforceing the laws we already have. Lets be honest here , you & I know that the goal of the left for the past 40 years has been to disarm all Americans & make gun ownership as rare & difficult as possible. I support the 2nd. ame. because I truly belive if we allow gov. to eliminate the 2nd. ame. ,other freedoms will fall like dominoes. Silence will to our destruction. This is the time tospeak out with clarity & strength. aa s one of our founding Fathers once said Firearmsstand next in importance to the Constitution itself. Theyare the American peoples liberty teeth and key stone under independence. The church,the plow,the prairie wagon, and citizens fiearms are indelibly related. George Washington. Gordon Denlinger

 

[JerrySS]

Lets be honest here , you & I know that the goal of the left for the past 40 years has been to disarm all Americans & make gun ownership as rare & difficult as possible.

Wow. Lets deal with reality.

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American peoples liberty teeth and key stone under independence. The church,the plow,the prairie wagon, and citizens firearms are indelibly related. George Washington.

Well known to be a bogus quote.

It is scary that people like this get to write and vote on laws. This single email destroys any integrity of HB 357.

 

[Big Redneck]

Maybe for you but not me

 

[wyomingcounty]

Lets be honest here , you & I know that the goal of the left for the past 40 years has been to disarm all Americans & make gun ownership as rare & difficult as possible.

Wow. Lets deal with reality.

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American peoples liberty teeth and key stone under independence. The church,the plow,the prairie wagon, and citizens firearms are indelibly related. George Washington.

Well known to be a bogus quote.

It is scary that people like this get to write and vote on laws. This single email destroys any integrity of HB 357.

It's scary that some folks vote count just as much as mine does.

Yes, the left, and The Regime is about control, and taking that away from the citizens, especially firearms. That is EXACTLY why the 2nd A was put into the constitution all those years ago. Think I'm just making that up, or embellishing? Do some research...this over 200 years ago. It's not opinion, or up for debate. It's history. Learn it. That is the VERY reason for it.

Discounting Washington quotes? Really? I'd take half truth Washington quotes to one letter from you sir. You are on the wrong forum. Head out to MSNBC. You'll have plenty of socialists to agree with you. Have fun. This is a FIREARM ENTHUSIAST forum. It's not up for debate.

The second amendment NOT about hunting, and the FIRST A was so that people could challenge the gov't, not be it's spokesman.

 

[Big Redneck]

Gentlemen, FYI, unlike most on here Jerry's posts indicate he doesn't think Obama will take our firearms or raise our taxes but that discussion is for another forum.

 

[yukon375]

lol, obummer has already raised our taxes, and now hes comming for our guns..... the constitution does not give people rights, it only recognizes the natural rights all free men have. libtards have a hard time wrappin' there heads around that.

 

[hunter4095]

It should read HB357

if the letter is real the 99th district is lucky to have a true American on they're side.

 

[TraskOutdoors]

Keeping drinking that kool aid Jerry...

 

[JerrySS]

That is EXACTLY why the 2nd A was put into the constitution all those years ago. Think I'm just making that up, or embellishing? Do some research...this over 200 years ago. It's not opinion, or up for debate. It's history. Learn it. That is the VERY reason for it.

No thanks. I'll stick with the U.S. Supreme Court interpretation.

Discounting Washington quotes? Really? I'd take half truth Washington quotes to one letter from you sir. You are on the wrong forum. Head out to MSNBC. You'll have plenty of socialists to agree with you. Have fun.This is a FIREARM ENTHUSIAST forum. It's not up for debate.

I think you misunderstand the whole concept of an internet forum. Per the HPA rules: We encourage the hearty exchange ideas and opinions on sometimes heated topics. The manner of that discussion must be carried out in a friendly and interactive manner that is free of personal slights or personal attacks. If you do not agree with these rules maybe you should go elsewhere.

This being the "Second Amendment Watchdog Forum", I would think you would be concerned of a politician who uses fictional information to support your cause, and can't even correctly name the bill he sponsored.

 

[TraskOutdoors]

Please Jerry, since this is a 2nd amendment forum, enlighten us all with YOUR interpretation of it.

Tell us what we should be allowed to own and what we shouldn't, how much government oversight there should be, etc.

Tell us, so that we can all see the light...

 

[TraskOutdoors]

BTW, how about this Jefferson quote- "Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry".

Is that a fictional quote, or will you tell us once again how the times have changed since Jefferson said that and that if we were to go by that today, then we would all be able to own nuclear warheads and F 18s???

 

[JerrySS]

Keeping drinking that kool aid Jerry...

Trask,
Honest question for you. In your opinion what percentage of PA hunters (or US hunters) are concerned about losing all their guns? I realize this is not about hunting, but to say all gun owners should share the same views is not realistic.

The information out there shows the majority of hunters, gun owners and NRA members support the second amendment but also support reasonable gun laws such as universal background checks, mandatory concealed carry training classes, and mandatory stolen gun reporting.

 

[JerrySS]

BTW, how about this Jefferson quote- "Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry".

Is that a fictional quote, or will you tell us once again how the times have changed since Jefferson said that and that if we were to go by that today, then we would all be able to own nuclear warheads and F 18s???

According to this website, Yes.
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/tyranny-defined-which-legal-government-quotation

 

[TraskOutdoors]

It goes deeper than that though Jerry.

Mush like many thought that the Patriot Act sounded good on the surface, the underlying power without limitations that it granted are dangerous and can be easily manipulated and twisted to fit an agenda.

The fear that many gun owners and 2nd amendment advocates have is that by agreeing to these background checks and gun registration, etc, things that "sound good" on the surface, that it could lead to the federal government amassing a nationwide database of gun owners, open for malfeasance in the future to support someone's agenda.

I understand that there are many hunters out there who have never owned anything more than granddaddy's deer rifle and 12 gauge and could care less about AR 15s or 10-22s, but that is beside the point. Much like I stated in another thread, I don't drink alcohol or use tobacco products, yet I do not support legislation to ban the sale or use of them or any law that INFRINGES upon anyone else's right to use them. Simply because I have no desire to use those products, does not mean that I won't stand up for someone else's right to.

Right now, people have this vision in their minds that universal background checks, gun registrations, safety courses, etc are "good ideas" because they believe that they will "save" people. There is no evidence to back this up, just that warm and fuzzy feeling that we would be "DOING SOMETHING" about gun violence. The reality is that legislation like this, at best would lead to the cost of owning and shooting guns being driven sky high, and at worst, giving the government too much information about our gun ownership.

 

[yukon375]

imo there is no such thing as a reasonable restriction on a right. if you can put a restiction on a right, it's no longer a right, its a privilge.

 

[RaspyJoe]

no doubt people don't want to lose their guns, but it's deeper than that. it's about a loss of a fundamental right guaranteed to American citizens. It's in black white and if people can't understand it, then maybe they should get out of this country and move to a place where the gov't can control your life. This country is WE THE PEOPLE not "we the followers and spineless."

 

[yukon375]

here jerry, this will help you learn something about rights... linkage to enlightenment for jerry

 

[LLB]

What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

 

[jimsdad]

Great link. Everyone should see this and read his book. This would help JerrySS a great deal.

 

[scottm2012]

Great link yukon. Here is one catching fire lately.

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