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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/11/lawmakers-eye-new-taxes-for-guns-ammo/%20?test=latestnews

"If you can't ban 'em, tax 'em.

Lawmakers looking to more tightly regulate firearms in the wake of the Newtown school shooting and other massacres are moving at the state and federal levels to introduce new taxes on firearms and ammunition.

The proposals range from the modest -- a proposed 5 percent tax in New Jersey -- to the steep -- a proposed 50 percent ammo tax in Maryland. The bills follow efforts to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and expand background checks, measures that have had mixed success at the state level.

The taxes -- much like so-called "sin taxes," like those on cigarettes"


if you havent hired a lawyer to fight this type of stupidity then its time to join or donate to the NRA

like em or hate em they are fighting for us...time to decide.

its also time to get politically involved, not just calling your senators and congressmen or state reps but get up and become a committe person.

the party affiliation doesnt matter, i am a democratic committe person it doesnt matter, i vote for the person, not the party but it carries more weight when you make that call or stop in for a visit.

get involved and help fix this country.
 

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the party affiliation doesnt matter, i am a democratic committe person it doesnt matter,
I've been doing all I can to stop the insanity in Dem-controlled Maryland, and I have to disagree in terms of party affiliation not mattering.

I am not aware of a single anti-gun bill coming out of the office of a republican. It's all from the Dems. Coincidence? Not at all.

Destroying the 2A and private ownership of firearms has been a staple platform of the Dem party for almost a century, and the people who vote for these Dems have known this every time they pulled the "D" lever. They knew it and voted Dem anyway.

I'm sure there are plenty of Dems now saying "but I didn't want this!", but guess what? It's too late.

You can't do a thing about it.

And I mean that seriously. There are very few Dem politicians who are not 110% committed to this independent of what anyone writes or says to them, and regardless of how many protesters are outside the state capital. They've been waiting their whole lives to sign anti-gun bills like this and they aren't going to second-guess now. They were simply waiting like a dormant virus until the conditions were right. And you can't negotiate or try to reason with a virus.

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Time to stop writing and time to start marching, and not with signs.
 

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BH,both parties are going to use this to raise revenue to balance budgets, but your state goes to the extreme on everything it does.I bet they will also be the FIRST state to implement a liability insurance clause also, which will add to the re-election coffers of all politicians, REP. or DEM. , GOOD GUY or BAD GUY , RIGHT or LEFT. This opens the increase in revenue that they have been waiting for, and your state is setting the standards that so many other states will follow. Do you actually think that the repubs. in your state will turn down the added revenue afforded to them by these "sin taxes", they will simply turn their back with their hand still outstretched for the extra money, and tell you how they didnt vote for it. But hey, Im glad you didnt vote for the dems, and heres a feather for your hat, as it seems telling people "I TOLD YOU SO " is more important than actually doing something about it or making a point positive reply.
 

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BH,both parties are going to use this to raise revenue to balance budgets, but your state goes to the extreme on everything it does.I bet they will also be the FIRST state to implement a liability insurance clause also, which will add to the re-election coffers of all politicians, REP. or DEM.
To be clear, "my" state is Pennsylvania, where I was born, raised & went to college, where I own property and where the majority of my family lives. I currently live in MD for work.

This is no defense of Maryland, but the pioneer states seem to be New York and California. And to be fair, if Maryland does pioneer anything un-American in terms of anti-gun laws, ask yourself one question and be honest about it- WHICH PARTY MADE THIS INSANITY A REALITY?

GOOD GUY or BAD GUY , RIGHT or LEFT. This opens the increase in revenue that they have been waiting for, and your state is setting the standards that so many other states will follow. Do you actually think that the repubs. in your state will turn down the added revenue afforded to them by these "sin taxes", they will simply turn their back with their hand still outstretched for the extra money, and tell you how they didnt vote for it.
Yes. The elected officials who I am in contact with several times a week fall into 2 camps. Democrats who support all of the un-American proposed laws, including the sin-taxes, and Republicans, who oppose ALL of those bills, in part or in whole.

It's also true that NONE of the bills in MD were proposed or endorsed by Republicans. Not one, in part or in whole.

Imagine that.

The PROBLEM is that the populace has elected primarily Dems, Dems have the majorities.

But hey, Im glad you didnt vote for the dems, and heres a feather for your hat, as it seems telling people "I TOLD YOU SO " is more important than actually doing something about it or making a point positive reply.
Well, we DID tell you so, in an effort to not have to deal with this DEM-IMPOSED situation now.

But the Dem leaning folks didn't listen. They can just vote for the African American b/c he's African American, or they can believe all the "yes we can!" mumbo-jumbo, and they can keep on pretending and fooling themselves this will have no consequences on other fronts like the 2A.

How many times right here on HPA have we seen Obama supporters say again and again "there will be no gun control coming out of this (Obama) administration"?

Uh huh. The "I told you so" crowd, of course, knew the truth.

As for doing something "positive"- I'm doing all I can in terms of writing/calling my elected officials, donating heavily to the NRA, trying to organize folks to action at my local gun club, etc.

But here's the deal lonnielou688- None of this matters in MD if we can't sway the opinions of a large # of DEMOCRATS at the state level. And as I told you quite clearly before, ALL of them are lockstep on the same page and not open one whit to call a halt to the anti-gun insanity that they themselves are putting into motion.

So- liability laws, sin taxes, assault weapons bans, magazine limits- have all been proposed at the state and federal level BY DEMOCRATS. The states they get passed in are DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED STATES. The wheels are in motion and the train has left the station.

I applaud you if you are trying to influence the Dem party to stop this nonsense, I only wish you and millions of others who voted Dem in elections past would have "woken up" alot sooner. We're all going to have to live w/the consequences of your votes.

And BTW, I'm not a republican. I'm a libertarian. I have no love for the Rep party except maybe for the Tea Party types.

I also know that both MD and PA (and NY and IL, among others) are swayed primarily by the hotbeds of feel-good Democrat population centers, and the majority of outlying counties are anything but. Western Maryland, you'd think you were in Texas or Potter County PA.

The Bill of Rights (federal and state versions) was supposed to protect the political minority (that's us) from the excesses of "the majority". To the extent that the Dem party sees this as pure nonsense and feel they can do whatever they want, it goes to show the total lack of respect they have for the Constitution itself (state or federal).

So to DEM politicians who don't care one bit about the Constitution, what chance do you think you have of changing their minds on anti-gun laws AFTER THEY THEMSELVES PROPOSED AND ENDORSED THEM?

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shows that money can be a major controlling item in any issue ,, this is why we need to boycott places like NY and Colorado ,, also we need to stop buying UNION built items whenever possible , the UAW is a major supporter of the democrats ,we need to buy NON UNION built vehichles in the future
 

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the UAW is a major supporter of the democrats
After the bailouts I vowed to never buy a new or used GM or Chrysler product again in my life.

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It's good to stay current, but a lot of damage came two, four, and six years ago. Keep electing liberals and eventually liberals will extract their price. And if we don't see changes in the next major election and the one after that, all the current moaning will be meaningless.
Elect liberal ideology to another national and state control and the end result will only follow a set pattern.
Elect the liberal control types and you will see liberal control measures.
 

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very true,, so many sportsman didnt vote in the past and now we are all paying for it

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It's good to stay current, but a lot of damage came two, four, and six years ago. Keep electing liberals and eventually liberals will extract their price. And if we don't see changes in the next major election and the one after that, all the current moaning will be meaningless.
Elect liberal ideology to another national and state control and the end result will only follow a set pattern.
Elect the liberal control types and you will see liberal control measures.
 

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Bumblehick, the reason you have been talking till you were blue in the face and cant get anyone to listen is probably because people just dont exactly where you are coming from ???you were born in PA.,live in MD., own property in PA., work in MD., went to a PA college, pay MD. taxes,have friends and family in PA, vote for MD. politicians, hate democrats but arent a repulician, hopefully when you buy a PA. hunting license its a NON-RESIDENT, wont drive or buy a GM or dodge product, bet you dont own a ford either, probably own a Toyota or Nissan,............. , just goes on and on. You're the exact person that POLITICIANS love to pull the wool over your eyes, You cant make up your mind who you are or who you represent on anything, They love people like you all the way to the bank. The point I'm making earlier is , democrat or republician, neither party is going to turn down the extra revenue these gun laws generate. The republicians will be just as quilty for using the money as the democrats will be for taking it in the first place. They arent going to take your guns, they wont be able to get revenues off them if they're eliminated altogether. They both are just as quilty as the other. Same tar, just a different stick. You would do best by making up your mind over who you are and who you aspire to be, then maybe your politicians will know exactly who they are dealing with, then you may be able to accomplish something. And for your record, I am a republician, not that that even matters in todays climate, and thats the point BOHUNUR was making at first, he was just simply asking people to get involved, REGARDLESS of your party allilliation. Middle of the road people like you just cause head on collisions.
 

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Bumblehick, the reason you have been talking till you were blue in the face and cant get anyone to listen is probably because people just dont exactly where you are coming from ???
Not exactly- the reason alot of folks, especially Dems, don't listen is b/c they don't want to listen and in fact don't even want to put any real thought into it.

I've spent a good deal of time in these sorts of discussions with liberals/dems and liberals who call themselves republicans over the course of my life and the majority of them are clueless and apathetic in terms of their lack of any desire to think. This goes for deadbeat welfare folks all the way up to academics w/PhDs.

The super-majority of them cannot articulate a coherent position statement on any issue they support.

Just like Harry Reid said he couldn't explain Obamacare b/c he was too stupid to understand it, but don't you dare oppose it.

wont drive or buy a GM or dodge product, bet you dont own a ford either, probably own a Toyota or Nissan,.............
Wrong again. I drive a 2010 F150 4dr, 4WD PU, and I also have a Honda Civic. If GM or Chrysler could make a reliable car using non-taxpayer subsidized labor, maybe I'd have bought one of their vehicles. But I'd rather not support institutions in bed w/avowed Marxists like Obama. Maybe you do, I don't know. Your choice.

You cant make up your mind who you are or who you represent on anything,
That's just funny right there.

The point I'm making earlier is , democrat or republician, neither party is going to turn down the extra revenue these gun laws generate.
I asked you to answer one question honestly and you have yet to answer- WHICH PARTY IS ADVOCATING AND ADVANCING BILLS AT STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS REGARDING AMMO TAXES?

Republican, Dem, Libertarian, Tea Party?

Which one?

They arent going to take your guns, they wont be able to get revenues off them if they're eliminated altogether.
Really?

The whole point of these extra taxes is to curb ownership. If they get any $$ from it, that's icing on the cake. But the primary purpose is NOT to make $$$ off it. If that were the case, they should be able to send school kids to the moon off the fees they charge to own, say, a machine gun.

But speaking of $$$$, Obama is now starting the whole shebang again @ how public health costs (taxpayer paid) related to gun violence are such that bans/further restrictions on gun ownership and use would save the taxpayers tons of $$$.

This is what happens when the health care systems become socialized. The guvmn't can rationalize curbing/banning anything "for the good of the public".

Now- which party primarily advocates socializing medicine in the USA?

Republican, Dem, Libertarian, Tea Party?

Which one?

Middle of the road people like you just cause head on collisions.
Me, middle of the road? On 2A issues? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

No, the millions of gun owners who voted Dem have been driving this nations bus to the Left on a continuous basis. They can't act all surprised now.

I've been over on the far right shoulder trying to wake them up. Not my fault they haven't listened until now. And it's not my fault all of us "have to become involved regardless of party affiliation"- I've tried my best to steer us away from this situation on a continuous basis since I was about 12 years old. Now I've got to work double time to repair the damage they caused. I'm glad some Dems MAY be waking up, but the flood is upon us and the time to start stacking sandbags was 2 weeks ago. You guys are showing up at the last minute. Too late. Just get over it and remember these lessons next election cycle.

You would do best by making up your mind over who you are and who you aspire to be, then maybe your politicians will know exactly who they are dealing with, then you may be able to accomplish something.
I'm perfectly clear in my stance and able to articulate it. As I've noted earlier one fact remains clear- Dem, gun grabbing socialist control freaks have their minds made up on this issue a priori. You aren't going to change their minds by calling, writing letters, etc., regardless of what facts, analysis and thought you bring to the table. That's just my observation after having dealt w/these imbeciles for over 30 years.

Now, if you have some approach where you can demonstrate how one can be successful at this- please share it. Not just w/HPA but with the Rep party and w/the NRA as well b/c they've been searching for that answer for decades with NO SUCCESS. You might even get some sort of Nobel prize for it.

In the mean time, I'll tell you one way to avoid all of this, DO NOT VOTE DEM. Do not elect these people, do not support them, do not vote for them. And shun any republicans who want to nominate "middle of the road" type aisle crossers.

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PA vs MD ford truck vs Honda civic DEM vs repub. , health care vs gun control you just earned the second feather for your cap, but tell you what, go ahead and take feather #3 too, I'll just go ahead and give it to you, you wont have to earn that one, I have a feeling you can put it to good use too !!
 

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I for one think it is time for a populous vote instead of the Electoral College.
As long as a few liberal areas can control the entire state we will not have a fair government.
The task is at hand for the American people to demand a fair election system! Not the current farce that is not representative of what the people of this great country want and deserve.
 

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PA vs MD ford truck vs Honda civic DEM vs repub. , health care vs gun control you just earned the second feather for your cap, but tell you what, go ahead and take feather #3 too, I'll just go ahead and give it to you, you wont have to earn that one, I have a feeling you can put it to good use too !!
Yeah yeah yeah- now back to business.

No answers to the questions I asked? How come?

Still waiting to hear @ how to make progress against the Democrat spawned anti-gun tidal wave....

You've made unsubstantiated and quite ridiculous claims @ how I have no position on all of these anti-gun agendas. I've made it clear in this and untold #'s of other posts I'm against everything they advocate, and I can articulate why both on Constitutional grounds and using facts/statistics to refute their claims. I have refuted it w/facts and analysis again and again to so many audiences I've lost count. And it's pretty clear that many folks are simply not swayed- they fall into the Dem mindset "well we HAVE to DO SOMETHING!".

You could have John Lott himself (I assume you know who he is) articulating the facts in front of them, but they don't care. You really don't think Feinstein, Reid, Obama, Bloomberg, Cuomo, etc. give a rats behind @ statistics and facts, do you?

So.....What do you have to offer? In fact, what are your thoughts on all of this? Ammo taxes? Assault weapon bans? Magazine restrictions? Mandatory registration? Insurance mandates? Gun violence as "an epidemic"? Among other things?

Yeah, we can all say "we have to get involved"- so what? That means nothing. Not at this stage in the game. Involved w/what? Calling your elected officials? How many of the folks at the state or federal level are really "on the fence" on any or all of these issues? Hmmm??? What are you going to do even if you vote them out of office IF they work to pass the law? By the time you've voted them out of office IT'S TOO LATE.

What do you have to offer to solve the mess we are facing NOW?

I'll be honest, I don't have the answer. Appears nobody does. Looks like we're facing, especially at the state level(s) in Dem dominated states, tidal waves of Dem sponsored, Dem proposed anti-gun laws.

What could the people of New York, for example, have done different to stop that ridiculous, draconian, un-American set of laws they just passed regarding guns?

In Maryland, with a Democrat majority at all levels and where they are all committed to passing the most ridiculous anti-gun laws they can think of- what are the common folks supposed to do when all the Republicans they can muster simply don't have the votes to stop it? And where the Democrats pushing this stuff are not interested in debate/discussion/analysis/facts, minds made up?

Hmmmmm??????

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There is a Supreme Court case, which held that the power to tax is the power to destroy, striking down a tax on a constitutional issue.

As a result, we don't pay tax on Newspapers (freedom of speech) or Bibles (freedom of religion) But nobody questions the PR excise tax on ammoor guns, or sales tax on ammo or guns. It would seem to me that perhaps such taxes violate the Second Amendment. Just wondering out loud.
 

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I for one think it is time for a populous vote instead of the Electoral College.
I think a popular vote would be a disaster for all the same reasons the Founders rejected the premise of a popular vote. The worst thing that could ever happen to this country would be to devolve into a true Democracy- simply because all historical precedent has been summed up succinctly by Karl Marx himself "Democracy leads to socialism". It leads to the tyranny of the majority.

I think it should be county based within the state, each county getting the same weighting independent of population, and in terms of presidential elections, the electoral votes get divvied proportionally relative to the # of counties voting one way or the other.

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Really, a populous vote. There are many states where the majority of the population is in cities where all the liberals have their warrens. So tell me, how would a populous vote solve a thing? In addition, our republic was designed to protect the minority from the whims of the majority and I want it to stay that way.
 

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It would seem to me that perhaps such taxes violate the Second Amendment. Just wondering out loud.
Wouldn't that require a common recognition of the right to keep and bear arms as a right?

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