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Thursday, April 11, 2013

The Senate, by a vote of 68-31, invoked cloture and now moves forward on the motion to proceed to a gun control bill introduced by Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV). Unless an agreement is reached, the Senate will debate for 30 hours the motion before another vote is taken to began debate and amendments on the legislation.

On Wednesday, Senators Mancin (D-WV) and Toomey (R-PA) announced an agreement on extending background checks for firearm purchases. The Hill newspaper reports that Majority Leader Reid has not indicated if he would substitute the Mancin-Toomey language for the proposed background checks made by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) that Senate Republicans say they will not support.
 

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Hmm, strange. Yesterday Toomey and Manchin both said Reid had promised them it would be the first amendment accepted.

This is going to be a very rocky and contentious few weeks.


BTW - the senate was not to take this up until 11 AM this morning. Seems they started early.
 

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Did anyone else catch Senator Casey on the Piers Morgan show last night? He also eluded very heavily that today's vote on background checks is only the very beginning of what is to come...if not on a federal level than on a per state level. With Casey & Toomey flipping sides away from the NRA and Rendell already being a gun control fanatic, I fear PA will soon follow NY, CT, MD & CO in gun control measures.
 

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As I said in another post, PA can't keep electing these Leftist goons and expect anything different.

And I don't think the million hunters and PAs long-standing approval of gun rights will mean squat. I say that b/c the majority of the population in PA in the urban centers, which happen to be Left of Chairman Mao, couldn't care less about any of that. IMO it will further divide the state in a contentious way, just as it's done in MD. Maryland has always been a liberal state, but it's confined primarily to the dominance of the Leftist population centers in the Baltimore/Annapolis/DC corridor. You go to Frederick MD and westward you might as well be in Potter County PA or the backwoods of TX in terms of dislike for "big guvmn't" and gun control. The votes of folks in those areas simply can't outweigh the Leftist population centers.

Lots of liberals say "it's the will of the masses"- to that I counter by saying the Bill of Rights was supposed to provide safeguards for political minorities and to prevent a tyranny of the masses. The Leftist eyes gloss over when you say that though, they couldn't care less @ the Constitution.

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Remember today and vote accordingly. Toomey must be defeated. Casey, too.

This crap better die a quick death in the house if it makes it there. I am more worried than I was before because Republicans are turning their backs on us at an alarming rate and siding with extreme liberals like Feinstein, Shumer, Bloomberg, and Obama.
 

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Here is the list of those that went against their party line:



The following is a list of Republican lawmakers who voted to advance the gun legislation in the Senate Thursday:

New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte

Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss

Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn

Maine Sen. Susan Collins

Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake

Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson

Arizona Sen. John McCain

Mississippi Sen. Roger Wicker

North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr

North Dakota Sen. John Hoeven

Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham

Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander

Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker

Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey

Nevada Sen. Dean Heller

The following is a list of Democratic lawmakers who voted against advancing gun legislation:

Alaska Sen. Mark Begich

Arkansas Sen. Mark Pryor



Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2013/0.../#ixzz2QAyMN7Qm
 

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Loggy1512 said:
This is craziness...I am not ready for this version of America!
you mean AMERIKA, comrad.
 

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Just went through all this in Maryland before they passed their recent monstrosity of anti-gun laws. All of the lawmakers had their minds made up from day 1 which way they were going to vote.

I'm pretty sure their minds are made up already one way or the other on the federal level, we're just seeing various Reps "coming out of the closet". All the rest we'll see as this proceeds is just theater. You could take a vote right now and it wouldn't be any different in several weeks, regardless of how many calls/letters they get.

We have to realize alot of elected officials in DC have been waiting their whole lives to take a stand one way or the other on this issue. Now is their time. They aren't interested in what's good or what's best, they're interested in politics and their legacy.

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I don't see any of it making it through the senate, much less the house. Regardless, this is just more of the same when you are run by liberal, Democrat, socialists that have no love or respect for our constitution or what this country was founded on.

It's never going to get better. Never. It will be a slippery slope to Western Ero style "bailout" state. Enjoy it while it lasts. This is/was as good as it gets!
 

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I don't see any of it making it through the senate, much less the house. Regardless, this is just more of the same when you are run by liberal, Democrat, socialists that have no love or respect for our constitution or what this country was founded on.

It's never going to get better. Never. It will be a slippery slope to Western Ero style "bailout" state. Enjoy it while it lasts. This is/was as good as it gets!
I agree , i believe it is a long downhill slide for the gun owners of the united states and no amount of letters to our liberal elected officials will change there mind. Sleep in the bed we have made comes to mind.
 

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I don't see any of it making it through the senate, much less the house
I think the background check thingy will get through.

Many of the Reps are terrified of not appearing before the public as somebody willing to compromise.

So the Left asks for 100%, the right gives them something, let's say 25%.

The "right" calls it a victory b/c they didn't give the Left everything. The Left calls is a solid defeat and will come back 1, 3, 10 years from now saying they want the remaining 75%. At that time the right will cave and give them another 25%.

The cycle goes on and eventually the right has given everything away.

IMO the Right only ever plays a defensive battle, I'd like for them, for example, to advocate a bill as equally radical from a libertarian perspective at least once in my life. Let them get 25% of what they asked for from the Left. THAT would be a victory for us. I don't see it ever happening though, not from the majority of those spineless cowards.

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I agree , i believe the gun owners started loseing there rights in 1968 and bit by bit continue to do so each year at a more rapid pace.
 

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Bumblehick said:
I don't see any of it making it through the senate, much less the house
I think the background check thingy will get through.

Many of the Reps are terrified of not appearing before the public as somebody willing to compromise.

So the Left asks for 100%, the right gives them something, let's say 25%.

The "right" calls it a victory b/c they didn't give the Left everything. The Left calls is a solid defeat and will come back 1, 3, 10 years from now saying they want the remaining 75%. At that time the right will cave and give them another 25%.

The cycle goes on and eventually the right has given everything away.

IMO the Right only ever plays a defensive battle, I'd like for them, for example, to advocate a bill as equally radical from a libertarian perspective at least once in my life. Let them get 25% of what they asked for from the Left. THAT would be a victory for us. I don't see it ever happening though, not from the majority of those spineless cowards.

BH
Wouldn't it be a beautiful thing if our elected officials advocated stripping away some laws to give us back some of our rights instead of continually advocating to take them away? Wow, hard to imagine. I would be like a group of great and powerful men getting together and instead of setting themselves up like kings and aristocrats making laws to give rights to everyone, wow that sounds like an American Dream, I'd even fight for that.
 

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CPO-Sharkey said:
Remember today and vote accordingly. Toomey must be defeated. Casey, too.
Thats too far off. Something needs done now, not next year or next election.
 

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It is time to ask the inevitable question:

Will you die to protect the 2nd Amendment? Will you rise against your government?

I was at a TEA party meeting on Monday, and the speaker noted, "some things should not be compromised on." Gun rights is one of these things. Imagine if we compromised on slavery. Only 3 slaves per owner.
 

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Where does it say in the constitution that a background check is illegal? I think it`s a good idea. I finally agree with Sen. Toomey on something.
 

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Old Crow said:
Where does it say in the constitution that a background check is illegal? I think it`s a good idea. I finally agree with Sen. Toomey on something.
2nd Amendment: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

I think SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is very clear.
 
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