[Cudorun]

Truth thanks but I leased to a group in less than 2 weeks ( I could of leased it a hundred times over since) and it only took that long because they needed to find time when they were all available to make the drive out to see it.

I also agree 100% with about being able to hunt on Sundays, alot of my friends were not interested in hunting OH. because of the 5 hour drive, that is until I pointed out that they currently drive 4 hours every friday night to Potter/ Tioga etc. to hunt for 1 day (sat) and have poor to avg. hunting at best and I am driving just under 5 hours on friday eve. to hunt both sat & sun and have some of the best hunting in the entire country. Needless to say a light bulb went off in their head after that comment and they no longer hunt Potter/Tioga etc. any longer.

 

[Peppy]

I've seen more bucks in one night out there then I've seen in an entire season in PA already.... But hey, I guess some guys aren't into that.

Don't get me wrong, I love hunting PA, but you just can't compare the two experiences, it's two totally different "animals".

 

[John Henry]

Lost Again & John Henry like Peppy said you have no clue!

Not at all. But since you disagree with me, I challenge you to prove me wrong. I stand by my statement that the majority of 160+ deer are shot on ranches where the hunter does nothing but show up with a rifle.

I am all for you having a lease in Ohio. But the work you put in makes you a minority in the big whitetails world. Most guys simply pay a ranch and shoot one.

I admire you for the work you put in to it. If I had more time, I would do the same. But no way I will ever pay 8,000 a year to lease something.

 

[TPlank]

I fail to see where this is a debate post. The man posted looking for people for the lease, not get in a pizzen match. To each their own, if you don't like it move on.

 

[Loggy]

I fail to see where this is a debate post. The man posted looking for people for the lease, not get in a pizzen match. To each their own, if you don't like it move on.

Welcome to HPA Todd!!!

 

[Peppy]

TPlank,

Often times this happens with this topic because hunters compare experiences and prices from states that do not compare with others. I think really it's just a curious topic for people.

Many watch too many hunting shows instead of experiencing it first hand for themselves... and that's where they are really missing out.

It's not HPA, this is a great place, but people have opinions and that's fine.

 

[TheTruth]

Lost Again & John Henry like Peppy said you have no clue!

Not at all. But since you disagree with me, I challenge you to prove me wrong. I stand by my statement that the majority of 160+ deer are shot on ranches where the hunter does nothing but show up with a rifle.

I am all for you having a lease in Ohio. But the work you put in makes you a minority in the big whitetails world. Most guys simply pay a ranch and shoot one.

I admire you for the work you put in to it. If I had more time, I would do the same. But no way I will ever pay 8,000 a year to lease something.

If by "ranch " you mean High fence outfits then the deer would only make SCI record books. Boone and Crockett and P & Y have fair chase laws ...last time I looked there were deer in both records from 160 inches and up...Big deer are where you scout em...More near AG areas and "managed farms"
to be sure not managing your farm for deer is like trout fishing only wild non "human improved" trout streams...

We lease 1200 acres in the great big woods of 2G. We are constantly trying to improve the land...

the timber companies do most of it for us but we always want to enhance the habitat(via food plots, winter feed etc etc) to grow larger bucks that s why guys pay to belong ...anyone can kill a 2.5 yr old 8 point in PA if you put your time in even in the "barren wastelands" of 2G ...Just my opinion

 

[Cudorun]

Lost Again & John Henry like Peppy said you have no clue!

Not at all. But since you disagree with me, I challenge you to prove me wrong. I stand by my statement that the majority of 160+ deer are shot on ranches where the hunter does nothing but show up with a rifle.

I am all for you having a lease in Ohio. But the work you put in makes you a minority in the big whitetails world. Most guys simply pay a ranch and shoot one.

I admire you for the work you put in to it. If I had more time, I would do the same. But no way I will ever pay 8,000 a year to lease something.

JH. I agree with you 100% I would never hunt at one of those high fence ranches nor would I ever pay anything close to $8,000 to hunt whitetails anywhere in the country.
Also the work that I (we) put in isnt thought of as work, we (I) we enjoy it every bit as much during the off season as we do hunting during the season.

 

[Cudorun]

Many watch too many hunting shows instead of experiencing it first hand for themselves... and that's where they are really missing out.

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[runningdeer]

I fail to see where this is a debate post. The man posted looking for people for the lease, not get in a pizzen match. To each their own, if you don't like it move on.

+1

 

[PAlimbhanger]

Cudorun, To me your offer is a good one. You just havent ran into the right guy yet. I hunt Kansas almost every year and yes the midwest is different than hunting here. Good luck on filling your lease, I'm sure as the season gets nearer you will find the right person.

 

[dce]

I live in a depressed area.A crappy,run down house with no property will cost at least $500-600 a month.That sounds like a bragin to me,if it was used as a year round property.

 

[BMAN]

For 8 guys it's a good deal no doubt, for 4 not so good you can get a reputable guide holding mature bucks on their property for around $2000 a week in the rut especially in this economy. Nobody in their right mind would plant food plots on a one year lease to produce trophy whitetails for the guys that lease it the future. Make it a 5 year lease it will be more attractive hunters will be more open to that. JMO

 

[Cudorun]

BMAN it was leased with in two weeks of me placing the add, and the only reason it took that long was because it took a week or so for the group to drive out and see it. And since then I could nave leased it out 100 times over.
Also it is a 12 month lease, meaning they have access to the property 12 months a year. If they want it next year all they have to do is send a check by a certain date,the same thing is true the year after that and the year after that. As far as a 5 day hunt with an OH, Outfitter being a better deal you are nuts!! I would never drop $2000.00 to hunt on an over hunted property and for only 5 days.
Many of the guys I currently hunt with in OH. hunted with outfitters prior to joining our club and they have a far better chance at harvesting a trophy buck as a member of a club then booking a hunt thru an outfitter in OH.
Dont get me wrong some OH. guides provide great accomodations and food etc. but if that was important to me I would use the money and take my wife to Paris and be a hero to her instead of a zero because I booked a hunt that I had a slim to none chance of harvesting what I consider to be a shooter.

 

[rlfb74]

You cant compare the $ per arce between the parcel in Mckean
(which by the way cannot produce world class bucks like SE.OH. no matter how its managed).

I just remembered our discussion we had last spring abuot McKean County not being able to produce world class deer. Here is one from McKean Co.

Mckean County Monster!!!

 

[Doubledog]

I'm not commenting on the value of the lease offered, but offering some tips to others interested in leasing. If you took the lease payment and assumed that the first $500 would go to principal and interest, and the balance to real estate taxes, for the money spent on the lease one could finance $73,000 for 20 years at 5.5% interest. Granted for $73,000 + the equity needed (say another $14k) you couldn't buy 498 acres in Ohio, you could buy some really nice hunting land in Ohio. You would end up owning instead of just renting. On a related note, if anyone is interested in leasing land from an existing tenant of the landowner, make sure that you as a sublessee obtain the agreement of the landlord (landowner) to recognize your sublease in the event that the original tenant does not perform and the primary lease is terminated. So, for example, if the primary lease required the tenant to cut the grass, and the primary tenant did not cut the grass, the landowner could terminate the lease and you would be out the $8000 you paid to the original tenant (as the original lease dies, so does any sublease). Not saying the OP here would breach a lease, but if happens all the time.

 

[HighCountry66]

$8,000 to shoot a stinkin deer? I fail to see any bargain in that.

It may well be worth the $8000, but personally if I spend $8000 to shoot something its gonna weigh 1500 lbs and have a 60 spread with the ability to fish for trophy salmon or hunt upland birds in a truly wild area after I harvest my yukon moose.

But thats just me. There is no doubt someone who's got the time and the money. I just can't imagine renting when you could buy a good chunk and have something at the end of the year that holds value.

I don't doubt you find enough guys without too much problem. Goodluck.

 

[SoPoHunter]

RLFB74 - 1 uncofirmed McKean county deer photo still doesn't compare to what Ohio produces.

 

[rlfb74]

RLFB74 - 1 uncofirmed McKean county deer photo still doesn't compare to what Ohio produces.

True, but it shows the potential if the property is managed to produce trophy bucks. If you want wold class bucks on 4000 acres in McKean Co, you could produce them.

 

[Peppy]

RLFB74 - 1 uncofirmed McKean county deer photo still doesn't compare to what Ohio produces.

True, but it shows the potential if the property is managed to produce trophy bucks. If you want wold class bucks on 4000 acres in McKean Co, you could produce them.

Sure, you could minipulate any 4000 acre property to produce trophy bucks and that's the difference with Ohio.... NO minipulation is necessary.

So, you could spend a fortune with heavy equipment, plantings, clear cuts and whatever else you could dream up or you could spend a lot less money and just walk into the woods of Ohio.

Bottom line.... nothing in PA even comes close to Ohio.