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I have a 498 acre farm in Monroe Co. OH. for lease including large farm house to use as a hunting camp and barn and out buildings to store Atv's, food plot equipment etc. for a 12 month lease. The property has great trophy potential and a high deer and turkey population. The farm is mostly wooded with 80 acres of fields. The property also has 3 ponds and a lake on it aswell. This is the perfect hunting property.
The Lease is $8,000 per year which includes liability insurance and gas. Does not include electric.
 

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Cudorun do you own this property?
 

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No I do not own the property, I signed a long term lease for $8,000 per year (will show who ever leases it the Lease Contract) as a back up and will not be hunting it unless I need it down the road. It is such an awesome property that I just couldnt pass it up considering how hard it has become to find good property in OH. these days.
 

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Sounds good, just had to check...Good luck on finding some hunters. Nice offer.
 

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Is that the going rate in OH for leases? I talked to a guy the other day and his neighbor leases 4000 acres in McKean Co. for $6 per acre per year.
 

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rlfb, How much does it cost to lease a 500 acre farm with a very nice farm house, barn and out builings, 3 ponds and a large lake with utilites and insurance paid for? (other than electric)in Mckean Co.?
I wish I could find a deal like that here in SC. PA. for less than $667.00 per month!! Heck even if there wasnt 1 deer on the property!! I would rent out my house and move the family to the farm and save alot of $$$
By the way how much did it cost you to heat your house last year and what do you pay to insure it all year?
Also Hunters come to OH. from all over the country to hunt the world class bucks of SE. OH., Does Mckean produce world class bucks?
 

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I was just curious as to what the difference in rates were from PA to OH. I wasn't bashing you for charging what you are. I was in no way hinting that you were charging too much. If I thought you were, I would have just come out and said it. I have no idea how much land usually leases for in OH, so that is why I was asking. You seem a little uptight about someone asking a legitimate question.

And BTW, I'm sure that if managed correctly, Yes, 4000 acres in McKean Co. could produce world class bucks.
 

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Not up tight at all your are just trying to compare apples to oranges and thats what I was trying to point out to you.
You cant compare the $ per arce between the parcel in Mckean
(which by the way cannot produce world class bucks like SE.OH. no matter how its managed) and the $ per acre of a parcel of land in SE. OH. with a house etc.,
 

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498 acres for 8,000 is a bargain. I was born and raised in Pa, but have lived here in Oklahoma for 30 years but I do return almost every year to either rifle hunt or BP hunt. My 2 cents on the McKean County 4000 acres.....unless this property holds some 140+ deer and you can harvest that class of buck consistently I'd never pay $6.00 per acre. From my experiences here in Ok, I can say that the price of land per acre hinges on 1) the quality of deer on that property and 2) the ease of access from either Tulsa or Oklahoma City. If the property is close to either of these areas the price is sky high regardless of the deer quality or quantity.
 

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You're exactly right PC man.

If someone can't see the value here they have no clue.
 

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$8,000 to shoot a stinkin deer? I fail to see any bargain in that.


How about 500 acres out your back door of private land left open to public hunting, now thats a bargain. Or 600,000+ acres of public hunting in the greater ANF. Now thats what I call a real bargain.
 

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$8,000 to shoot a stinkin deer? I fail to see any bargain in that.
Now that's a real shocker!!
 

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$8,000 to shoot a stinkin deer? I fail to see any bargain in that.
This is what Antler Scoring, Drury, Primos, and the entire Outdoors Entertainment industry have given us: an Antler Obsession with a hefty price tag.

The sad thing is, my couple of bucks taken in Potter County required more work and more "hunting" than most of the 160+ class bucks taken in videos.

The work in taking a huge buck is not in the hunt, but in the feeding of it. Kind of sad.

This post is not meant to diminish any hunter's efforts, just to point at a sad truth. I know you all have seen the videos of deer shot while feeding along a well "stocked" sendero. Sometimes you can still see the fresh tire marks from the truck that goes back and forth every night dumping feed.
 

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I wouldn't call it antler obsession. Take this property here, you don't need to feed them anything to get a trophy quality animal, if that is what you are after that is. If simply killing a buck is all you after, then that is fine as well. The deer out there are living in a smorgasbord of corn, beans and acorns and some amazing cover.

The midwest offers some of the best whitetail habitat known to man.... And whitetail.


Since I've been hunting out there, I've had the pleasure of witnessing and experiencing first hand some of the most exciting and unusual hunts I've ever been a part of. How many people have seen the rut in it's true form and have been left scared and mesmerized from the excitement and the reality of the sheer mayhem they've witnessed? I've seen deer knock over small trees, three or four big rack bucks chasing one big doe in heat, watch and hear deer fight, see deer trails that would leave most hunters speechless, and deer that looked like horses running through the woods. The fact you might be able to score on a mature 150+ animal is just the icing on the cake. Those midwest shows seem unreal to most PA hunters simply because they might not have ever seen some of the action they catch on tape out there, on a regular basis, before in their life.

Let's face it, if you are after an above average animal and their are none in your particular area and may never be any because of any number of factors, then trophy hunting is clearly a waste of time. And if you are hunting an area that breeds 1.5 yo 8 points with 100+ inches of bone with regularity then trophy hunting may actually only be a by-product of the circumstances in which you find yourself and the experience you intended to obtain is only seen as trophy hunting simply because the trophies are plentiful there.

I've still not killed a "trophy" animal yet, but have scored on some pretty decent bucks. It's the possibility combined with the reality that at any moment your chances of seeing and getting the opportunity to harvest a trophy animal could become reality at any minute. I've seen more 150+ deer in the past two years then ever seen in PA during all my years hunting combined.

Everyone has different goals each season, and that is fine. If someone is happy killing a spike or a whatever and other hunters are after something mature with a huge rack, then that is fine as well. Each hunter has his definition as what might be considered a quality hunt, and we ought to respect each other for those goals even though they might no mirror our own. Someone might not want to end his hunt on the first day with a small racked buck, they might want to spend as much timne hunting as possible and that might mean passing up many bucks others would be very happy to harvest.... That is his choice. Maybe he killed many smaller bucks and his personal goals have changed over time. And as his life progresses maybe his goals will change again and his main goal will be to get others, small kids for example, in front of deer.

And this property is a bargain if you consider some would be happy to spend the same amount for five days of hunting if you split up the cost of what 8 hunters could enjoy here all season long. You get a house, storage, ponds and the opportunity to manage this property for long term enjoyment.

We need to both talk about apples here if we want to come to some agreement as to the relationship between the two opportunities here.... One being PA big woods deer and a midwest farm feed and superior woodlot habitat deer.

You owe it to yourself to step one foot into the woods of the midwest or upper midwest to see this subject is two very different "animals" and is easy to see with a close up inspection and only takes about 10 minutes off the road to come clearly into focus. Actually, with a keen eye it can literally be seen from the road.


To each his own I suspect.... I respect whatever hunters might choose as the "perfect" hunt and experience.
 

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I'll be renting a cabin this summer again out in that area. Last year I saw it for myself and even the doe are huge. I saw deer everyday just hiking around. This year the log cabin I am renting is south of Zanesville on 100 aces, has a private fishing swimming pond with dock and sandy shore, canoe, etc., and is used for hunting in season for deer. I'm hoping to run onto a few nice bucks this year just exploring this area again. Last year I was out further towards Hocking Hills. As Peppy said if 8 people went in on this that would be incredible.
 

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Lost Again & John Henry like Peppy said you have no clue! I spend around 30 days a year in OH. deer hunting, turkey hunting, shed hunting, scouting, moving stands, putting out trail cams, checking them etc., working on food plots, riding ATV's and also just getting away to hunting camp etc., and prior to having a house I spent $77.00 a night + tax on a hotel room (or atleast split that amount with a buddy)and having a house also saves me alot of $$$ because I do not have to eat out for every meal because I can bring all the food I need and put it in the frige/freezer.
The house also saves me alot of gas $$$ and time by not having to drive to and from the hotel 2-4 times a day.
I also get to leave my ATV., brushhog, sprayer, disc etc., tree stands, pop up blinds and other hunting gear in the house or barn etc. which saves me $$$ from having to transport those things back and forth to OH. from PA. using a trailer.
Because of the house on this property it would be cheaper to lease it with 4 other guys at $1,600 per person per year (if it was still available) than it would be for you and 4 other guys to hunt public land in OH. and stay in a hotel, eat out for every meal, not to mention the convience of not having to drive back and forth from the area you are hunting to the nearest hotel etc.
And as far as the hunting on the proeprty the difference is night and day compared to hunting public land in OH., tons of deer, turkey, grouse, woodcock, rabbits and even coyotes.
And if you enjoy food plotting, you could plant as much as your heart desires compared to not being able to plant anything on public land.
 

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LostAgain said:
$8,000 to shoot a stinkin deer? I fail to see any bargain in that.


How about 500 acres out your back door of private land left open to public hunting, now thats a bargain. Or 600,000+ acres of public hunting in the greater ANF. Now thats what I call a real bargain.
To see the difference in hunting on this very site between hunting in OH. and where you hunt in PA., hunters from all over the country travel to OH. for its deer hunting and pay up to $3,000 for a week of hunting
( Jus look at PHA.'s ad in the outfitters forum) How many hunters from across the nation are traveling to the ANF. to hunt for free?
 

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My take on it is this....I ve hunted WT deer in TX,Missouri, Iowa,Ohio, Miss. and Illinois.

The lease is a great deal IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE INTO. As said before the deer on a private managed property are in a more natural state and much more likely to act as they do on the hunting shows you see on TV. Management for trophy bucks only makes sense and adds to the hunt. Alot of Midwestern states have public land that is also managed for trophies which is awesome. The mindset and hunting style in those states makes it more conducive to trophy hunting ...which IMO is how it should be.

I will say after chasing deer in the big woods on private and public lands the hunting in the mid west is usually easier due to more fields and less timber to deal with. If you scout and pay your dues eventually youll get a chance a t a monster....

This property would be a cool deal and had I not decided to have three boys I would probably join just for the fact I can hunt it Sundays and all weeks of the rut. I have yet to hunt Canada for WT deer but it s on the "hunting Bucket list" but aftrer huntin the deep south or Midwest Ill take the Midwest ....anytime..

Plus the cost at first may shock people but break down any hobby for all the money associated with it... if you re a hard core golfer youll easily spend 000's of $ a year doing it...

Good luck in your search for members Ill be wanting to see some kill photos later in the year
 
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