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After I showed my father my new Henry BB Steel 44mag he said how much he liked the gun. Well low and behold today he shows me his new Henry Case Colored 45-70 wearing a Leupold fxii 4x33. The gun is gorgoues. Actually nice enough that I'm putting the 30-30CC on layaway. Anyhow he had 2 boxes of rem 405gr ammo. We went to the range and he sighted it in. I was shocked at how little recoil that round produced. At 100 yards he was about 1.5 to 2 in. Is this 405gr round a cowboy load or is this actually considered a hunting load. I mean the recoil was not what I was expecting at all or the old man. Most of his shots from his stand are 100 yards max. Many way under. This round seems like the ticket. A far cry from his .222 that he has toted since I can remember. One extreme to the other I suppose.
 

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45-70 factory loads are on the light side due to the chance of being fired in an old trap door gun. In order to get the full potential one has to hand load. Some hand loads are just a step behind 458 win mag. I have some handloads that will rattle your teeth from the bench.
 
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That 405gr load took many plains buffalo. Only reason for more velocity is to flatten trajectory.
 

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Don't use the 405's for deer. They punch right through with little damage... Well, aside from the half inch hole. I only used them one year and the deer I shot ran 300 yrds. Anything that I've shot with the 300gr HP's makes it about 50 yrds before piling up. I use them in a Pedersoli Sharps. It doesn't matter that I only have one shot, I usually can see where they dropped.

Now, I will say that out of my gun the 405s hold a better group at long distances, but the 300s are still minute of deer out to 100yrds.
 

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Look into the Hornady LeveRevolution shells. I got a box to try in my 1895
Very innovative and makes it a nice contender for a lot farther than you think.
Denny
 

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My Marlin guide gun loves those Hornady Leverevolutions. I have a Leupold 2-7 scope on it...made for a nice setup.Have not even carried it in the woods yet. The recoil isn't too bad...more like a hard shove. Now my 338 win mag rattles your teeth pretty good as it just has the hard plastic buttplate and not a recoil pad.
 
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