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Sunday hunting in PA is taboo says the PA legislators. But the same gang thinks drink 24/7 at casinos is the cat's meow???
Seriously???

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HARRISBURG — Cash-strapped and hard-pressed to fill a $1 billion budget hole, state legislators figured giving casinos the right to buy a $1 million license to sell liquor around the clock was one of those win-win scenarios politicians covet.

The state gets $12 million and casinos no longer have to cut gamblers off at 2 a.m.


A no-brainer, right? Well, yes, but not in the way legislators were hoping.

"We're not going to pay $1 million for the privilege of selling alcohol after 2 a.m. and I don't know of any other casino that will," Sands Casino CEO Mark Juliano said. "Who advises these legislators? This one doesn't make a lot of sense."

"There's a liability concern. It's just not what we want," Juliano said. "My father used to say nothing good happens after midnight. This is sort of a variation of that. It's not such a bad thing that we don't serve alcohol between 2 a.m. and 6 a.m."
 

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dmccoy1 said:
All about the cash, no matter what were talking about, if SH would make the state 12 million guaranteed, we would be hunting deer THIS Sunday....
it could
just sell sunday hunting permits at $20.00 bucks each, good for the season.
 

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Even if they could make all of that 12 million, that's well short of the billion dollar hole. Per my calculator, 12 million goes into a billion 83 times.


I didn't realize they started selling alcohol again at 6:00am. that's only 4 more hours. Not worth it. And by 2:00am, people need to go to bed and get some sleep. Leave the casino for even a short time and don't ruin your life by going broke.
 

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great response freytown it just dosnt make any sence how they come up with these ideas they want you to go to the casino and gamble and drink 24/7 but god forbid if you what to take the family out on a sunday to hunt
 

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The state could make more allowing Sunday car sales then they could selling Sunday Hunting licenses or getting the 12 casinos to pony up 1 million for round the clock liquor sales.
What is or isn't allowed has little to do with money and more to do with votes from the constituents.
Their word will be done.
 

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Birch812 said:
The state could make more allowing Sunday car sales then they could selling Sunday Hunting licenses or getting the 12 casinos to pony up 1 million for round the clock liquor sales.
Birch seriously?? To realize $12 million in sales tax (6%), you would have to have "NEW" sales of $.2 billion. Don't count what has been sold Mon thru Sat.

BTW, when did we vote on the SH issue??? Fill me in, as I missed the vote.
 

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Where did I say there was a vote??
I said the legislators listen to their constituents, since they depend on their votes to keep their jobs.
If people want booze 24/7 that's what they get, if thy don't want SH it's not going to happen. Thus my original response of Apple's to oranges.
 

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I said the legislators listen to their constituents, since they depend on their votes to keep their jobs.
If people want booze 24/7 that's what they get, if thy don't want SH it's not going to happen. Thus my original response of Apple's to oranges.
Leadership has not allowed a vote. Many legislators have constituent bases that support SH. The leadership sets agendas and decides what bills move and what bills do not. If one representative in a position of leadership has a base that opposes a certain bill, that elected official can effectively block the voices of the rest of the citizens of the state on certain bills.

There is a reason why the SH bills have never come up for a vote and that reason has nothing to do with the constituent bases of many, many of our elected representatives.
 

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I told my legislator how I felt about it, buy many on here wouldn't have liked my opinion. There are way more "constituents" who think things are fine the way they are, than the 50% of the hunters that want SH. IF every single hunter in the state wanted SH, you would still only make up 10% of the "constituent" base, it's a very low number, which is why I believe the bills have gone nowhere. Plus, most of the above 10% of the mentioned above, are probably not on the top of any "political donor" lists.......Follow the buck if you want anything to get done. I bet the PFB is a pretty big donor?? Just my opinion.
 

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I told my legislator how I felt about it, buy many on here wouldn't have liked my opinion. There are way more "constituents" who think things are fine the way they are, than the 50% of the hunters that want SH. IF every single hunter in the state wanted SH, you would still only make up 10% of the "constituent" base, it's a very low number, which is why I believe the bills have gone nowhere.
The reality is the great majority of the constituent base is not polled nor are they well represented on most game and fish bills that are on the floor. If the entire constituent base was polled and represented on many other game and/or fish bills that were proposed and passed, the outcomes may be vastly different than what occurred.

Plus, most of the above 10% of the mentioned above, are probably not on the top of any "political donor" lists.......Follow the buck if you want anything to get done. I bet the PFB is a pretty big donor?? Just my opinion.
In this case, the blocking members of our state assembly are in the back pockets of certain orgs. You are correct. Who would have thought it would be republicans blocking pro hunting initiatives and democrats supporting them?
 

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I agree, but we owe it to all to also point out that the vast majority of game and fish bills passed will never have any impact on the entire constituency, it only effects us 10%. SH has the ability to effect many more than just us hunters, which is why they are listening to more than just the 5-10% of the people who support SH.
 

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I agree, but we owe it to all to also point out that the vast majority of game and fish bills passed will never have any impact on the entire constituency, it only effects us 10%. SH has the ability to effect many more than just us hunters, which is why they are listening to more than just the 5-10% of the people who support SH.
Hunting is already legal on 6 of the 7 days of the week. Doe rifle season was increased from 3 days to 2 weeks. We added 1/2 day afternoon gobbler hunting. Early rifle doe and muzzleloader doe are new. Archery has been expanded by several weeks in the heaviest populated areas of the state. Small game seasons have been increased.

Point is we have already experienced changes that added greatly to the numbers of hunters in the woods that were never there before. When you add up the impact from all of those changes which are happening on 6 days of the week, adding 1 extra day is a blip on the radar if you look at it objectively.
 
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