I agree. Years ago before Nosler and Barnes had .224 bullets designed for deer sized game I used a handload with the Win 64 gr PP bullet. I killed a mature doe with it at about 60 yards. Downed her with one shot thru the chest cavity. The bullet left an exit wound about the size of a nickel. Performance was perfect!bownut said:See how the Win 64 gr powerpoint loads shoot. Stay away from "varmint" bullets, put the bullet where it needs to be and he'll be fine.