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Yes, they were legal until a few idiots caught a couple high priced dogs.
 

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walkercoonhunter said:
220's are still legal in PA but they have to be completely submerged and only used for beaver....so dont get caught with one in a rat run...
beaver conni's dont have to be completely submerged.
 

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High priced dogs ? Were they hunting dogs , isnt there a leash law in Pa. , why were the dogs running or roaming freely ..

I hunt in Maine with my beagles for snowshoe hares and had one of my dogs get caught in a coyote set , did i get mad nope , the trappers have every right we did to be trapping as we did to be hunting hares ..
Why if the dogs were roaming freely werent the owners fined ?

Why was the blame put on the trappers , if im legal and catch a dog thats to bad i feel no remorse what so ever ...

The Game Commission should stick up for the guys and girls that are afield instead of bending for the wacko extremists ...

There is no reason in the world not to be able to use a 220 in a bucket for raccoons in this state it is just bad politics on the side of the PGC TO BEND FOR IN MY OPINION ANIMAL ACTIVISTS ....
 

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I wish the law made it illegal to set ANY body grip trap larger than a 110 unless it is partially submerged. The few fools that will strech or break the current regs cause trappers more harm by catching pets than anythng else trapper do.
The benifits of using body gips above ground is not worth the damage that they may do-to pets and trappers.
 

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One of the most ignorant statements I have seen in a long time. If coons will go in a bucket for the bait, so will hunting dogs. The PGC would be doing a dis service to hunters who hunt with dogs by allowing 220 traps in a bucket for raccons, also starting a war which the trappers would lose! Take a bite of that popcorn Dietsch.
 

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As other's have stated, it is still legal to use 220's for beaver.

The '86-'87 regulation book stated - "Set or operate more that a total of ten traps in any area where beavers are known to exist, no more than two of which may be body-gripping traps with a jaw spread not exceeding ten inches (providing underwater sets are made)."

In the '89-'90 regulation book, the part in parentheses was not included.

Title 58 - Subchapter D. FURBEARERS


Sec.

141.61. Trapping hours.
141.62. Beaver trapping.
141.63. Definitions.
141.64. [Reserved].
141.65. [Reserved].
141.66. Cable restraints.
141.67. Furbearer hunting.
141.68. Prohibited devices.
141.69. Artificial cubbies.
§ 141.61. Trapping hours.

Except on the opening and closing day of trapping seasons, furbearing animals may be taken by trapping any hour, day or night, during the open season. On the opening day of trapping season, it is unlawful to set, place or stake out traps prior to 7 a.m. On the closing day, traps shall be removed by sunset.



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The provisions of this § 141.61 adopted June 19, 1987, effective July 1, 1987, 17 Pa.B. 2464; amended September 6, 1996, effective September 7, 1996, 26 Pa.B. 4339. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (202792).

§ 141.62. Beaver trapping.

(a) General. There shall be one durable identification tag attached to each trap or snare by means of an extension wire of sufficient length so that the name tag is completely above the water or ice level and totally visible for inspection purposes. The name tag shall visibly set forth the owner’s first and last name and legal home address, or a number issued by the Commission.

(b) Unlawful acts. It is unlawful to:

(1) Place, or make use of, materials or products except raw native wood or stone to direct the travel of beaver. Man-made materials may be used only to support traps or snares.

(2) Place, check, reset or tend a trap or snare on an established beaver dam or beaver house, or within 15 feet of either a dam, or a house. Measurement shall be from directly above the trap or snare, across the water, ice or land to the nearest point of the structure.

(3) Set body gripping traps larger than 10 inches x 10 inches.

(4) Set, tend or operate more than a combined Statewide total of 20 traps or snares no more than 10 of which may be traps. No more than 2 of the traps may be body gripping traps except in Wildlife Management Units where beaver bag limits are 40 or more per season.

(5) Check, set, reset or otherwise maintain a beaver trap or snare, or remove a beaver from a trap or snare, unless the person is identified by the attached name tag as the owner. This paragraph does not prohibit the lending of assistance when the person whose name appears on the trap tag is present.

(6) Equip snares with a spring-activating mechanism or any device designed to aid the closing of the snare loop.



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The provisions of this § 141.62 amended under the Game and Wildlife Code, 34 Pa.C.S. § 2102.



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The provisions of this § 141.62 adopted June 19, 1987, effective July 1, 1987, 17 Pa.B. 2464; amended July 22, 1988, effective upon publication and applies retroactively to July 1, 1988, 18 Pa.B. 3213; amended December 9, 1988, effective December 10, 1988, 18 Pa.B. 5495; amended May 25, 1990, effective July 1, 1990, 20 Pa.B. 2752; amended August 7, 1998, effective August 8, 1998, 28 Pa.B. 3801; amended May 18, 2001, effective May 19, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 2577; amended June 20, 2004, effective June 21, 2003, 33 Pa.B. 2878; amended June 11, 2010, effective June 12, 2010, 40 Pa.B. 3105; amended May 27, 2011, effective May 28, 2011, 41 Pa.B. 2699; amended June 22, 2012, effective June 23, 2012, 42 Pa.B. 3592. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (358710) and (357025).

<span style="font-weight: bold">§ 141.63. Definitions.

In addition to the definitions contained in the act and this part, the following words, when used in the enforcement of section 2361 of the act (relating to unlawful acts concerning taking of furbearers) have the following meanings, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise:

Artificial cubby—A baited enclosure constructed of natural or artificial material that is designed to house and corral a furbearer into a body-gripping trap. </span>

Cable restraint—A galvanized stranded steel cable with a minimum diameter of 3/32 inches. The cable must be constructed of either 7 bundles comprised of 7 wires per bundle, 7 bundles comprised of 19 wires per bundle or 1 bundle comprised of 19 wires. The cable may not exceed 7 feet in length from the anchor point to the relaxing lock contacting the fully closed loop stop, must be equipped with at least one swivel device (which allows for 360° rotation) between the loop and the anchor and must have stops affixed to the cable to ensure that the circumference of the cable which makes up the loop may not be greater than 38 inches when fully open, or less than 8 inches when fully closed. Cable restraints must be equipped with a relaxing-type lock. The relaxing-type lock may not be constructed with moving parts. A cable restraint must include a breakaway device affixed between the relaxing-type lock and cable or at the end of the cable that is rated at 375 pounds or less. The cable must be maintained in good condition so that all components operate properly.

Foot encapsulating trap—A device that has all triggering and restraining mechanisms enclosed by a housing which, once set, allows access to the triggering mechanism through a single opening not to exceed 2 inches in diameter or diagonally and is anchored by a swivel-mounted anchoring mechanism.

<span style="font-weight: bold"> Marsh, pond or dam—A standing body of water.</span>

Snare—A looped galvinized or stainless stranded steel cable 3/32 inches in diameter equipped with a mechanical sliding metal release lock. A metal ferrule shall be crimped on the cable to prevent the snare loop from closing to a circumference less than 7 inches.

<span style="font-weight: bold"> Waterway or watercourse—A riverine system that contains water which includes the semi-permanent flooded area.</span>


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The provisions of this § 141.63 amended under the Game and Wildlife Code, 34 Pa.C.S. § § 322(c)(5) and 2102(a), (b)(1) and (d).



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The provisions of this § 141.63 adopted December 11, 1987, effective December 12, 1987, 17 Pa.B. 5129; amended August 7, 1998, effective August 8, 1998, 28 Pa.B. 3801; amended May 26, 2000, effective May 27, 2000, 30 Pa.B. 2601; amended April 15, 2005, effective April 16, 2005, 35 Pa.B. 2304; amended June 16, 2006, effective June 17, 2006, 36 Pa.B. 2975; amended June 29, 2007, effective June 30, 2007, 37 Pa.B. 2956; amended May 27, 2011, effective May 28, 2011, 41 Pa.B. 2699. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (349874) to (349875).

§ 141.64. [Reserved].



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The provisions of this § 141.64 adopted November 30, 1990, effective December 1, 1990, 20 Pa.B. 5939; reserved June 20, 2003, effective June 21, 2003, 33 Pa.B. 2878. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (279262).

§ 141.65. [Reserved].



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The provisions of this § 141.65 adopted May 3, 1991, effective July 1, 1991, 21 Pa.B. 2009; reserved May 18, 2001, effective May 19, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 2577. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (267213).

§ 141.66. Cable restraints.

(a) Cable restraint devices may be used from December 26 until the end of the established trapping season to harvest red fox, gray fox and coyote. Nontarget furbearing species incidentally captured in cable restraint devices during an open season for that species may be taken and utilized, provided the trapper possesses all applicable licenses and permits.

(b) Cable restraint devices may only be set by furtakers who have completed a certified cable restraint training course approved by the Director and possess a valid furtakers license, qualify for license and fee exemptions under section 2706 of the act (relating to resident license and fee exemptions) or qualify for trapping exceptions under section 2363 of the act (relating to trapping exception for certain persons). The Director will establish a fee for the course and the fee will only be what is necessary to cover the cost of the course. The trapper shall have a certificate from this course in possession while setting or checking sets using cable restraints and present the certificate upon the request of any person whose duty it is to enforce this title.

(c) Cable restraints must be anchored to prevent the animal caught in the restraint from moving the restraint from the point it was originally anchored.

(d) Cable restraints must be set to allow the animal caught in the restraint to move freely in a 360° arc for the entire length of the restraint without the risk of the cable restraint becoming entangled by any object.

(e) Cable restraints must be set so that the bottom of the restraint cable loop is no less than 6 inches or greater than 12 inches above the first surface beneath the bottom of the cable restraint where the surface is ground, ice, crusted or packed snow or any other hard material.

(f) Cable restraints will be considered traps for the purposes of the section 2361(a)(3), (4), (7), (8), (10), (12) and (14)—(16) of the act (relating to unlawful acts concerning taking of furbearers).

(g) Unlawful acts. It is unlawful to:

(1) Use a bent washer as a relaxing lock that has an outside diameter less than 1 1/4 inches.

(2) Set any cable restraint where entanglement may occur or in any manner which could result in an animal held in the restraint being suspended.

(3) Use a device commonly known as a drag with any cable restraint.

(4) Equip cable restraints with a spring-activating mechanism or any device designed to aid the closing of the cable loop.

(5) Fail to comply with any other provisions of this section.



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The provisions of this § 141.66 issued under the Game and Wildlife Code, 34 Pa.C.S. § § 322(c)(5) and 2102(a), (b)(1) and (d).



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The provisions of this § 141.66 adopted April 15, 2005, effective April 16, 2005, 35 Pa.B. 2304; amended June 29, 2007, effective June 30, 2007, 37 Pa.B. 2956; amended June 5, 2009, effective June 6, 2009, 39 Pa.B. 2800; amended June 11, 2010, effective June 12, 2010, 40 Pa.B. 3105. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (343748).

§ 141.67. Furbearer hunting.

It is unlawful to take furbearers using shot larger than #4 buckshot.



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The provisions of this § 141.67 issued under the Game and Wildlife Code, 34 Pa.C.S. § 2102(a) and (d).



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The provisions of this § 141.67 adopted December 2, 2005, effective December 3, 2005, 35 Pa.B. 6537.

§ 141.68. Prohibited devices.

It is unlawful to take furbearers through the use of the following devices:

(1) Fish hooks, snagging hooks or any other hooks of similar design.

(2) Implements that are not lawful traps, firearms, bows or crossbows.



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The provisions of this § 141.68 issued under the Game and Wildlife Code, 34 Pa.C.S. § 2102(d).



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The provisions of this § 141.68 adopted April 1, 2011, effective April 2, 2011, 41 Pa.B. 1765.

<span style="font-weight: bold">§ 141.69. Artificial cubbies.

(a) General rule. Furtakers are permitted to trap furbearers through the use of body-gripping traps set in artificial cubbies when the following conditions are met:

(1) The artificial cubby is placed within an established watercourse, waterway, marsh, pond or dam.

(2) The entrance to the artificial cubby does not exceed 50 square inches.

(3) The triggering mechanism of the trap is recessed within the artificial cubby at least 7 inches from the entrance.

(4) The artificial cubby is anchored in a manner so that it cannot be moved or rolled.

(b) Exception. Subsection (a)(2)—(4) does not apply to body-gripping traps that are 5 1/2 inches or less and set in artificial cubbies to target mink or muskrat.</span>


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The provisions of this § 141.69 issued under the Game and Wildlife Code, 34 Pa.C.S. § 2102(a) and (d).



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The provisions of this § 141.69 adopted May 27, 2011, effective May 28, 2011, 41 Pa.B. 2699.



APPENDIX A. [Reserved]




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The provisions of this Appendix A amended July 7, 1989, effective July 8, 1989, 19 Pa.B. 2956; amended August 24, 1990, effective September 24, 1990, 20 Pa.B. 4488; reserved May 3, 1991, effective July 1, 1991, 21 Pa.B. 2009; corrected June 28, 1991, effective July 1, 1992, 21 Pa.B. 2896. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (153836).




APPENDIX B. [Reserved]




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The provisions of this Appendix B amended July 7, 1989, effective July 8, 1989, 19 Pa.B. 2956; amended August 24, 1990, effective September 24, 1990, 20 Pa.B. 4488; amended June 9, 2000, effective June 10, 2000, 30 Pa.B. 2907; amended May 18, 2001, effective May 19, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 2577; reserved June 20, 2003, effective June 21, 2003, 33 Pa.B. 2878. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (279264) to (279265).



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APPENDIX C. [Reserved]




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The provisions of this Appendix C amended June 3, 1988, effective June 4, 1988, 18 Pa.B. 2530; amended July 7, 1989, effective July 8, 1989, 19 Pa.B. 2956; amended August 24, 1990, effective September 24, 1990, 20 Pa.B. 4488; amended May 26, 1995, effective May 27, 1995, 25 Pa.B. 2072; amended March 1, 1996, effective March 2, 1996, 26 Pa.B. 884; amended May 18, 2001, effective May 19, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 2577; reserved June 20, 2003, effective June 21, 2003, 33 Pa.B. 2878. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (279266).



APPENDIX D. [Reserved]




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The provisions of this Appendix D adopted November 30, 1990, effective December 1, 1990, 20 Pa.B. 5939; reserved June 20, 2003, effective June 21, 2003, 33 Pa.B. 2878. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (279267) to (279268).



APPENDIX E. [Reserved]




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The provisions of this Appendix E adopted January 17, 1997, effective retroactively to January 15, 1997, 27 Pa.B. 313; reserved August 11, 2001, effective August 12, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 4250. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (279269) to (279270).



APPENDIX F. [Reserved].




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The provisions of this Appendix F adopted May 18, 2001, effective May 19, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 2577; amended August 9, 2002, effective August 10, 2002, 32 Pa.B. 3945; amended June 13, 2003, effective June 14, 2003, 33 Pa.B. 2749; reserved July 16, 2004, effective July 17, 2004, 34 Pa.B. 3713. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (297367) to (297368).

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From what I heard/remember, there was at least one dog and maybe two, that were killed in illegally set bucket sets using 220 sized body-gripping traps. The result was the current artificial cubby laws/regulations.

Note that, artificial cubbies using 110 sized body-grippers (5-1/2 inches and less) are exempted on parts 2-4.

Exception. Subsection (a)(2)—(4) does not apply to body-gripping traps that are 5 1/2 inches or less and set in artificial cubbies to target mink or muskrat.

But they are still required to be in a waterway, watercourse, marsh, pond or dam, which by definition is:

Waterway or watercourse—A riverine system that <span style="font-weight: bold">contains water </span>which includes the semi-permanent flooded area.

There is no definition on what "the semi-permanent flooded area." is.

The definition of a marsh, pond or dam is:

<span style="font-weight: bold"> Marsh, pond or dam—A standing body of water.</span>

I would think that body gripper's would have to be in the water or within the interior of the marsh, pond or dam. I think placing body-grippers outside of the edge of the standing water would be in violation.
 

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Many of the beaver I catch in cable restaints (snares if you will) are still alive and could be released unharmed. The foxes are the same.

If the laws are followed they are harmless.
 

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Like they are on a leash when you arrive!!!
 

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Hey Gibson, Comparing to that coyote set isn't the same. You weren't upset cause you got your dog out with minimal damage, I'm sure. Now if your beagle got into a 220 different outcome, that you probly wouldn't have been pleased with. Just saying. Breathe.
 
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