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I have the itch for a new rifle. Thinking along the lines of something for turkey's and small game w/the ability to hunt chucks as well. I know some will say .17, but I have not been impressed w/the carnage i have seen it cause to tree rats, or lack of effectiveness on turkey's. So I am looking more at the 22 mag or 22 hornet. Anyone have any pros or cons on either one, or recommendations about a good gun in particular? How about load recommendations?
 

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If you're worried about carnage why are you looking at a center fire? Of those two I'd go with the mag. But the 17 hmr is a far better choice for what you want. And the accuracy is far better. It's a great fall turkey round, just need proper shot placement. Same with rats, chucks, pheasants, rabbits, foxes, etc. Shoot a rat in the chest with the mag it's going to be destroyed also.

But it's your choice. Good luck and happy hunting.
 

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Just asking b/c these two rounds are fairly new to me.

As for the .17, my dad has one and I have had the opportunity to hunt and plink with it. It's a decent gun, but I'm looking for something a little heavier, and something a little more tried and true. Call me crazy if you'd like.
 

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Either the .22 mag or .22 Hornet will serve you well depending on whether you want a rimfire or centerfire. However, personally, I prefer a comparable .17 to a .22 because they've generally been more accurate for me. What .17 caliber are you comparing the .22 mag and .22 Hornet to? There are many factory rounds in rimfire and center fire that are good options and, except for the new .17 WSM, have been around for awhile. There are more options for the reloader. The .17 HMR and .17 WSM are rimfires and cartridges like the the .17 Hornady Hornet and .17 Remington Fireball are centerfires. All are flat-shooting and generally very accurate in factory guns and ammo.
If you reload, there is huge advantage to going to a centerfire because you can load heavier bullets and/or other powders like Trail Boss for reduced velocity, less meat damage, and less noise. You'll also be able to load your own rounds when you need them rather than being at the mercy of the stores for factory ammo.
 

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The .22 magnum and the Hornet are quite different rounds. If you handload the Hornet is a great little number. I've been loading them for many years and have used it on everything from squirrels to turkeys with good success...if you do not reload the factory Hornet ammo will tear up edible small game...

There is no reason to hunt squirrels with the magnum. It is less accurate than a .22 LR, noisier and far more destructive...

The .17 HMR is more accurate than either the Hornet or the .22 WMR. It is also noisy in the squirrel woods and tears up meat, too...

If I did not handload I would choose the .17 HMR if I could only have one rifle...otherwise, the Hornet wins...
 

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You can probably walk into Walmart and buy .22 Hornet shells somewhere today.

.22 Magnum on the other hand................
 

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I chose the .22 mag. for my all round small game and light varmint gun. If using on squirrel and rabbit it's more than needed but works fine IMO but would prefer to use a regular .22 for squirrel and rabbit. The mag. is better on turkey and fox and would probably do ok on short range coyote head shots. The mag. works great on chucks.

The range of the .22 mag. is about 125 yards and most will group under an inch and a quarter at 100 yards. Ammo can be a bit hard to find now but the Hornet ammo will be more expensive unless you hand load.

You can use the .22 WRF for small game for a little less power but I never tried them for accuracy in my rifle. I always felt that a head shot squirrel or rabbit wasn't loosing any meat so why worry about it. The mag. is more versatile for me. The mag. anchors anything I bust with it under 100 yards; where the regular .22 gives me much less power.

If your going after furbearers that you want to skin for the hide or chucks and turkey alone then I would vote for the .22 Hornet. I myself wanted just one rifle that was capable for everything under 100 yards so I picked the .22 mag.
 

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If you're talking turkeys and wodchucks,the .17 hornetis tough to beat.I bought one last summer and my son and I have killed a bunch of woodchucks and one turkey.Damage to the turkey was acceptable and the woodchucks die right there.It's also a better fur gun.
 

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Between the two you mentioned I would say the hornet. I like the mag, but it's the least accurate out of the two and not re-loadable. If you don't reload, this is a great time to start. I like my 22 magnums, in pistol or rifle. I love my Hornet. I shoot everything from little tiny v max's that zip so quick and explode everything they touch to 60 grain partitions that punch through a 6 inch tree. I haven't had a change to test the partions on any game. It's more of a round I loaded for a M6 survival rifle.

But like others are saying for all around I love my savage 17 hmr. The thing is just so accurate and everything I have hit with it is done. Just DTR and that is hard to argue with.
 

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I've owned a bunch of 22 mags.All of mine have been accurate but they really don't shine on anything.Squirrels have to be shot in the head because they tear them up but that's fine.They'll kill a turkey but I've seen several get away.They'll also kill a coyote but I'd consider it marginal.They do fine on woodchucks at reasonable ranges.I used to like them because ammo was cheap and easy to find.That isn't the case any more.
 

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I own a 22 mag revolver.and a 22mag marlin bolt.I love both.I killed a yote at 35YDS with the marlin rifle.I also own a SAVAGE17 cal with accue trigerLove that gun also.I dont have a 22 hornett but i have a custom made 17 ACKELY HORNETT witch uses a 22 hornett caseing.Its a shooter an a half.Great gun.If my choice was between a MAG and a HORNET I would go with the HORNETT.They claim you can load real nice rounds for it.But if your gunna shhot TREE RATS with it ,id stick to the MAG.Good luck with your desission.
 

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Here I thought the decision would be an easy one...now ya'll really have me wondering. Maybe my judgement was passed a little bit early on the 17? My dads is a .17 HMR.

I would mostly be hunting chucks, turkeys, and squirrels with this gun. Not really into fur at this point. Also don't hand load either. Maybe someday, but now isn't it unfortunately.

Out of the three rounds being discussed, what is everyone seeing as far as availability of rounds in their area?


Thanks for all the replies everyone. Keep them coming!
 

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The .17 HMR is much more accurate than the .22 WMR. And trust me, I have .22 WMRs in Anschutz, Cooper and Oregon Kimber rifles...there is no comparison, accuracy-wise...

Both cartridges are overly destructive on squirrels unless a head shot is made...and far noisier than a LR...

The .22 magnum is a better killer, IMO...I have too many better choices to ever hunt turkey with a .17 HMR and I would never take anything less than the perfect shot on a turkey if I was using the .17

I favor accuracy on small animals and there is no comparison between the two in that department...
 

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hacimsaalk said:
Out of the three rounds being discussed, what is everyone seeing as far as availability of rounds in their area?


Thanks for all the replies everyone. Keep them coming!
Around here I can buy HMR all the time,almost every store.22 mag might get it once in a while at on overpriced ruthless priced gun shop.I don't own the Hornet so I don't recall about it.I don't think I saw any though.
 

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Never owned a 22 mag. Shot 'chucks since I was a kid with the 22LR. When I wanted to "move up", bought a used Savage M340 22 Hornet in 1964 and eventually loaded my own ammo for it.

I've shot a fair number of rifles in 22 mag over the years. None ever impressed me much in the accuracy dept. A Mossberg Chuckster was probably the most accurate one, 45 years ago?

Last one I shot, belonged to a guy I once encountered at our club range a few years ago. New SS heavy barrel, laminated stock Ruger in 22 mag.

Leupold target scope, trigger job and bedded stock. Still would not do better than one inch groups with a variety of ammo, at 100 yards. He was pretty disgusted to have put that much money into a one inch rifle. It sure looked purty, though?



Briefly owned a 17HMR when they came out. Very accurate, didn't much care for the iffy terminal ballistics on woodchucks, so sold it.
 

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I had always heard how spotty the accuracy was with the .22 magnum...never had a use for one as a multitude of centerfires do everything it can do much better, cheaper and with consistent sub-MOA accuracy.

Then in a spell of boredom I thought I was going to see for myself if the inaccuracy claims were true...several rifles later (all of which I still own) I had to say the heretofore rumors were indeed fact...even the expensive RWS failed to produce consistent sub-MOA accuracy from Coopers, Oregon Kimbers and Anschutzes...fact is the Remington 33 gr. Accu-tip has been the best of all the ammo (and my testing occurred before the present-day shortages)...

I would not dream of hunting edible game, including turkeys, with a .22 magnum...too many other better options exist for the handloader...about the only use I see for it is for fox hunting if a rifle is used. It does not tear up the pelt, is less noisy than a CF and kills them well...

I believe in using a cartridge that gives the hunter the widest margin of error and the .22 WMR does not provide that on turkeys and woodchucks...nor does the .17 HMR...
 

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a LOT OF DIFF.PREFERENCES HERE.hAVE USED BOTH CALIBERS AND I WILL GO WITH THE 22 Hornet.In my humble opinion the best 22 Hornet on the market is a CZ 527 American.It is incredibly accurate when I shoot the Remington 35 gr. Accutip ammo out of it.The set trigger on these guns is great and you won't find anything like that on a production American gun.Buy what you want but I like "Stinging Them With A Hornet".
 

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OK, I'm not trying to stir the pot here and I'm not trying to put anyone down, but what kind of accuracy are you looking for. I picked up a Savage bottom of the line wood stock 22mag last year and was pleased with the accuracy. At 100yrds I can keep 5 rounds in a 3/4" circle. This is only slightly worse than my 223 at that range, and I can hold the groupings to about 2" at 300yrds with that. I'm plenty happy with that. What exactly are you looking for??? Cloverleaves?

IMHO, I think our hunting society has gone a bit overboard with accuracy. I shoot to hunt. So MOA means nothing to me. I measure my accuracy in MOW, MOC and MOS... Minute of whitetail, minute of chuck and minute of squirrel. I have plenty of confidence that if I pull up on a squirrel inside of 75yrds and put the crosshairs on his head I'll be cleaning squirrel.
 
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