[Freytown]

The 1st spread sheet is SRA included, the 2nd is all harvest stripped from SRA's. You can see how lopsided the buck to doe harvest in archery "truthfully is". No smoke and mirrors, fact is "archies" want antlers and are not interested in remove doe. Let somebody else practice sound deer management. FT

 

[dpms]

Good stuff. It takes some time to put that together. Thanks for sharing.

It would be interesting to see how the numbers pan out with the early muzzleloader and early rifle antlerless kill added to the pre rut totals.

 

[25ftup]

Hey Frey, A 2 week rifle season is ruining archery season. The bucks us archers pass are killed by rifle guys who don't care about age structure. Sorry man I had to say it...

 

[yellodog]

Heres the truth.

Highest buck harvest in 15 years and some can still find something to whine about.

 

[TrashPanda]

Heres the truth.

Highest buck harvest in 15 years and some can still find something to whine about.

You said a mouthful. For the last 15 years all anyone could do was complain about there being no deer out there. Now we have the biggest buck harvest since the inception of AR/HR and all some can do is complain about how we got there. There are truly some who will never be happy no matter what.

 

[LONZO]

A lot of archers shoot doe in rifle season, no smoking gun here.

 

[ShedSeeker]

I'm not complaining about the harvest but the PGC needs to do something to reduce the antlered buck harvest prior to the completion of the rut in 1A, 2B, 5B, 5C and 5D.

 

[elk yinzer]

Archery is clearly the go-to method for managing deer population in urbanized areas. Oh and it's a ton of fun too. So much so that many people like me spend countless dollars, 50% or more of our vacation time, and stretch our wives tolerance pursuing it Data certainly confirms that, thanks for compiling the data.

 

[Curly Maple]

Heres the truth.

Highest buck harvest in 15 years and some can still find something to whine about.

Pa is a great buck hunting state as long as the pre rut antlerless-only seasons stay...... antlerless only.


The BOC ran the numbers...... using the peer reviewed, Ma and Pa Kettle scientific common core math formula.

If they were to remove 1% of the total pre rut buck harvest in any of the WMU's, that would cut the archery seasons buck harvest by 50%. In tandem, if the archery season raised its antlerless harvest by 50%.....Yikes! That's why the BOC decided that it is a 101% bad idea to allow the antlerless only seasons to harvest a buck at that time if year.


However, the BOC calculated that if participants in the antlerless only seasons would put an additional 10% buck harvest in the BOC's chosen season.....enough buck would remain to carry on the rut duties without affecting the average breeding date for 90% of the adult doe.


A better way by a whole percentage point...

 

[whil e kioti]

Pa is a great buck hunting state as long as the pre rut antlerless-only seasons stay...... antlerless only...

We finally agree!:kiss:

Of course a limited draw permit system would be a game changer.

 

[dpms]

I'm not complaining about the harvest but the PGC needs to do something to reduce the antlered buck harvest prior to the completion of the rut in 1A, 2B, 5B, 5C and 5D.

1A had 80 more antlered deer killed than antlerless and that does not even factor in the early muzzeloader and early rifle antlerless kill. What concern could possibly exist there?

And 2B, 5C, 5D had more antlerless than antlered killed pre rut. Again that is even without early muzzleloader and shotgun factored in. What concern could possibly exist there?

 

[yellodog]

1A keeps pounding out 10,000+ antlerless harvests year after year, obviously theres not any breeding issues. And theres your proof that good habitat is the key to all things deer related.

 

[frank1969]

Playing God

 

[ACEarcher]

I'm just curious what you expected to find when you removed the WMA's that have the highest densities of hunters across the state? Furthermore, these WMA also have the highest densities of people throughout the state and the least amount of forested land or for the fact of the matter the least amount of "hunt-able" land in the entire state.

 

[Freytown]

Just The Truth

You said a mouthful. For the last 15 years all anyone could do was complain about there being no deer out there. Now we have the biggest buck harvest since the inception of AR/HR and all some can do is complain about how we got there. There are truly some who will never be happy no matter what.

Best harvest in 15yrs...............yep for archery, but not even close for rifle hunters. Go ahead and deny the facts if you like if it makes you feel better. lol FT

 

[tdd]

I'm curious about a couple things:

1- concern about taking bucks prerut.... are does not getting bred, or bred too late? Do we know? And if so, how?

2- Archers taking more bucks....but the archery percentage is 40%. That means others are getting 60%, and you know it's not the flintlocks taking the lion's share of that.

So, a picture that could be painted here is that while the rifle hunters still kill almost 51% more bucks than the bowhunters do, the rifle hunters are being slighted because they should get a LOT more than the bowhunters, and 51% isn't enough. Is that about right?

If we look at 2000, what is sorted out as the best year in the sheet immediately above, the rifle hunters got about 330% more bucks than the bowhunters. So is that what is needed to make things "equitable"?

 

[dpms]

Best harvest in 15yrs...............yep for archery, but not even close for rifle hunters. Go ahead and deny the facts if you like if it makes you feel better. lol FT

Cause there are less people hunting rifle every year. Antlered kill trends are used to gauge populations. A higher antlered kill suggests a growing population. The deer are out there, even for the rifle hunters, but it takes rifle hunters actually hunting and moving deer to see them and shoot them.

 

[LONZO]

If you look a traditional gun hunting areas such as 2G, 2H, 3A, they are around 26%.

 

[yellodog]

Best harvest in 15yrs...............yep for archery, but not even close for rifle hunters. Go ahead and deny the facts

I'm not denying anything, pa hunters took more bucks last fall than they have in 15 years, if you want to spin that as a bad thing, be my guest. You seperate us into groups for your selfish purposes instead of embracing your fellow hunters successes.

The stoopid thing about some folks is they choose not to participate in bowhunting, then get mad about the fact that those who do are successful. Look in the mirror to see who's screwing you out of opportunities at more bucks and quit blaming your fellow sportsman.

 

[Curly Maple]

Cause there are less people hunting rifle every year. Antlered kill trends are used to gauge populations. A higher antlered kill suggests a growing population. The deer are out there, even for the rifle hunters, but it takes rifle hunters actually hunting and moving deer to see them and shoot them.

The BOC fixed something that didn't need fixing.