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Looking at sabot loads for a 12 year old. I'd like to buy her a 20 ga. shotgun and was wondering about the difference in recoil between the regular 20 ga. and the RR 12 loads. My 12 ga. would be the other option. She shoots a 270 just fine, but a 12ga with slugs is brutal. I have never tried either of the loads in question. Thanks
 

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I shoot a 20 gage Savage 220 with Remington Accutips. The recoil is mild and the Accurate tips are very accurate.

The recoil is significantly lighter than a 12 gage.

The 220 does have a rifled barrel. They make a youth model with a shorter stock.
 

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I second the savage 220. Although it is really loud, the recoil isn't bad. I've killed deer at 150yrds with it. It's sighted in 4 inches high at 100yrds.
 

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If I were to buy a slug gun today, it would be a Savage 220 20 ga. I am still using a 12ga. Browning A5 which shoots 1" groups at 100 yards....so no reason for me to change.
 

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Dogface said:
I shoot a 20 gage Savage 220 with Remington Accutips. The recoil is mild and the Accurate tips are very accurate.

The recoil is significantly lighter than a 12 gage.

The 220 does have a rifled barrel. They make a youth model with a shorter stock.
I use 2 3/4" Accutips in my 20 ga. 220 as well and the accuracy at slug gun range is incredible with mild recoil. The 220 has a great soft recoil pad on it.
 

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Thanks for the input. However, the money isn't there for buying a 2nd gun. I'm leaning towards a Mossberg 500, Benelli Nova, or possibly a Weatherby. The Mossberg would have the fully rifled barrel, the others would be smoothbore with a rifled choke tube. I don't plan on hunting deer withit a lot, but We do hunt in the special regs areas on occasion.
 

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The Mossberg 20 ga with rifled barrel should work well. Mossberg sells a combo that includes both the rifled barrel and regular barrel in a youth model that I think includes a spacer to lengthen pull when needed. It makes a nice compact turkey gun as well with the regular barrel. You can put a Limbsaver slip on recoil pad on it to really reduce recoil. With the many slug options available now like the Remington Accutips or Hornady SST's, there is no need for a 12 ga. IMHO. Hornady makes a Lite slug load as well. And 2 3/4" slug loads are plenty for deer.
 

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I took my daughter to a gun shop to let her handle a few guns. She really liked the Stoeger M3020 semi, and the Remington 870 was a close second. She also like the Weatherby pumps and semi. I'm kinda leaning towards a semi for her, since the gun will only be used occasionally for deer( special regs areas). The spots I usually hunt there are really thick, so shots typically are 50 yds and under.BTW, all guns are 20 gauges.
 

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Having a good fit and feel to the gun are so important. It's great that you have her out there with you to help pick one out! Hope she has a great season with whatever model you choose. And your thinking on a semi makes sense if she'll use it more for small game than deer. There are some pretty good rifled slugs for a smooth barrel that should work for you. If the shotgun is tapped, you could put a red dot sight on that can be removed when hunting small game.
 

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SS43,

You might have her reconsider the Stoeger 3020. Recoil will be considerable with that gun as it weighs approximately 5.5 lbs. Firing the 2 3/4" 260 gr Accutip at 1850fps will create roughly 27 ft lbs of recoil. Shooting a .270, assuming the weight of the gun to be 7.5lbs firing a 130 gr bullet @ 3000 fps, recoil is roughly 14 ft lbs.

Whatever 20 gauge you buy for her, consider using something along the lines of Hornady's Custom Lite slug. Running at 1600fps, it creates roughly 21 ft lbs of recoil in the 3020.

Increasing the weight of the gun or reducing the velocity of the fired projectile will reduce recoil. Best of luck in your search.

Marcus
 

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I didn't think Semi's were approved for deer hunting.
I think you are allowed to use semi's in some special reg. areas so it depends on where you are hunting.
 

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Semi's are OK in the special reg's areas, so is buckshot. I also have a couple of favorite spots that shots would be limited to 50 yds or less. I would plan our hunts according to what she is comfortable shooting.
 
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