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Its all in the timing dmccoy1 . That heavy Citori swing speed was half that of the 20ga. When I switched from trap to clays I had guys with .410's out shooting me with a 12ga. NO one gun can do everything at the highest standard. All guns will brake what they hit. We use the sub gauges in clays to teach us not to over swing with the big guns. The number one fault with any of the clay disciplines is over swinging and stopping the gun allowing the bird to scream by untouched.
 
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