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lastchance54 12-13-2019 07:25 PM

Hunting Small Game with pistol
 
What is the law concerning hunting squirrels with pistols in PA? Can I hunt them with the Ruger Mark III semi-automatic pistol with a red dot sight?

Woods walker 12-13-2019 07:30 PM

No, semi auto 22 cal or less long guns only. It is in the digest.

Marcus99 12-13-2019 09:22 PM

yup... no semi handguns

timberdoodle 12-13-2019 11:23 PM

here is the regulation concerning small game hunting


§ 141.22. Small game seasons.


(a) Permitted devices. It is lawful to hunt small game, except woodchucks, during any small game season with the following devices:
(1) A manually operated or semiautomatic rimfire rifle or manually operated rimfire handgun. The firearm must be .22 caliber or less, that propels single-projectile ammunition.
(2) A manually operated or semiautomatic centerfire shotgun or muzzleloading shotgun. The firearm must be 10 gauge or less, that propels multiple-projectile shotgun ammunition not larger than # 4 lead, # 2 steel, or # 4 of any other composition or alloy of nontoxic shot approved by the Director of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service or an authorized representative under 50 CFR 20.134 (relating to approval of nontoxic shot types and shot coatings). A centerfire shotgun’s magazine capacity may not exceed two rounds. The shotgun’s total aggregate ammunition capacity may not exceed three rounds.
(3) A muzzleloading rifle or handgun. The firearm must be .40 caliber or less, that propels single-projectile ammunition.
(4) A bow and arrow.
(5) A crossbow and bolt.
(6) A raptor. The raptor shall be lawfully possessed under a falconry permit under section 2925 of the act (relating to falconry permits).
(7) A manually operated or semiautomatic air rifle or manually operated air handgun between .177 and .22 caliber, inclusive, that propels single-projectile pellet or bullet ammunition. BB ammunition is not authorized.
(b) Prohibitions. While hunting small game during any small game season, except woodchucks, it is unlawful to:
(1) Use or possess single-projectile ammunition larger than .22 caliber or multiple-projectile shotgun ammunition larger than # 4 lead, # 2 steel, or # 4 of any other composition or alloy of nontoxic shot approved by the Director of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service or an authorized representative under 50 CFR 20.134, except as authorized under section 2525 of the act (relating to possession of firearm for protection of self or others).
(2) Possess a firearm while hunting with a raptor, except as authorized under section 2525 of the act.
(3) Discharge a firearm within 150 yards of a Commission vehicle releasing pheasants.
(4) Use or possess a device or ammunition not provided for in the act or in this section, except as authorized under section 2525 of the act. (5) Hunt in a party of more than six persons. This does not apply to waterfowl or dove hunters when hunting from a blind or other stationary position.

rockyDD 12-14-2019 08:30 AM

Are both single action and double action pistols considered manual. The double fires with the only action being pulling the trigger again just like a semi.

timberdoodle 12-14-2019 01:34 PM

yes

Woods walker 12-14-2019 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyDD (Post 3683523)
Are both single action and double action pistols considered manual. The double fires with the only action being pulling the trigger again just like a semi.

Rocky what makes a gun semi auto is, it reloads a new cartridge in the chamber after firing either by the action of a gas piston or from the recoil of the firearm and a spring and re cocks the hammer. Of course semi auto striker fired handguns have no hammer to be reset but the other actions are the same. A revolver simply turns the cylinder as you are pulling the trigger to put a fresh cartridge under the hammer and releases the hammer to fall on the fresh cartridge.

Steve in PA 12-14-2019 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyDD (Post 3683523)
Are both single action and double action pistols considered manual. The double fires with the only action being pulling the trigger again just like a semi.


Yes, they are both considered manual.

I got into an argument on FB with some guy who claimed to be an FFL class 3 dealer who said that a double action revolver is considered semi-auto. He even went so far as to say his ATF “buddy” agreed with him!

Woods walker 12-14-2019 09:14 PM

Sadly, I would not be surprised if an ATF agent said that!

DennyF 12-15-2019 09:49 AM

Sadly, I would not be surprised if an ATF agent said that!

Nor would I. Maybe 20 years ago we had a "new" ATF person in our area that found some un-dotted Is and a few Ts that hadn't been properly crossed and ran an 80 year old local gun shop owner up to Wilkes Barre for a hearing.

The hearing examiner scolded the agent for being a bit over zealous, admonished the ol' boy on his book work habits and sent him home without penalty.

As for small game and hand guns, I've had a Taurus revolver in 22 rim fire for probably 35 years. Six inch barrel, pretty much a S&W K22 clone. Have killed woodchucks, 'coons, porkies, crows and one bunny with it over the years.


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