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#1 ·
With all the speculation about what the NCAA will do to PSU.....I have to ask this question.

The majority of the issues with the Sandusky case are related to legal and moral issues.....but not directly related to football issues.
So how much authority does the NCAA really have in this matter?

Don't take my question wrong......I am not defending anyone......just questioning how this truely pertains to NCAA rules. ..........I fully realize the moral and legal stuff, just questioning at what point the NCAA may overstep their bounds.....????????
 
#3 ·
Thanks for the link. It really addresses what I was questioning. With all the people saying they should give the death sentance to PSU football......I have to wonder how the NCAA could justify that, with the "powers" they have over this case?
 
#4 ·
The legality of the NCAA's ability to give the death penalty in this case would be subject to scrutiny, that's for sure. It would probably play out in court, and neither side wants that.

I'm am confident that there are "back door" conversations taking place between NCAA officials and PSU official, or at least between their lawyers to maintain "plausible deniability"
 
#5 ·
The NCAA is on a slippery slope and IMHP newly appointed President Emmert is on a frustrated power trip so anything can happen. Is it legal, under the NCAA charter? Probably not, but why fight the inevitable. We will just take our punishment and come back from it stronger. The court of public opinion and the other haters have spoken.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--mark...m-spanier-.html
And yes I have read the entire 260+ pages of the Freeh report. I feel that there should and will be criminal and civil trials, so that all of the information should come out.
 
#7 ·
hiding what happened is all about football and the school....the program gets a black eye from this and the school loses money....when it boils down to it it was about money.....they are gonna find out about money when they lose the tv and bowl money for many years!!!!
 
#8 ·
Loggy said:
YUP...sure hope those contemplated NCAA officials prematurely shootin from the hip gunslingers have adequate personal/professional liability insurance!
I am not sure the NCAA is in their bounds or not, but I wonder if the school will accept the punishment or if they will file an appeal/lawsuit. My guess is they will just accept and move on. They won't look good if they fight it. Thee way I see it, they would lose either way. It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
#9 ·
There will be no Death Penalty for ps, the death penalty is just sland for the rule that was enacted in the early eighties as the "Repeat Offenders Rule" which was put in because of SMU and there continued violations after being sanctioned by the NCAA. Lose of scholarships for a couple years along with no bowl appearance would be my quess.
 
#10 ·
I don't get how any past inFractions USC, OSU or SMU involved child rape & cover ups...again & again over 7-10 kids how isn't that repeating an offense? Cause he didnt get caught? Arguement wise he did get caught....
So why shouldn't 14 years of cover ups be a repeating offense? Wasn't Sandusky a coach sanctioned by the NCAA ? On a team sanctioned by the NCAA?
Cant the board of NCAA vote to increase the depth of authority & reach judgement wise ofi the teams schools they sanction?
If they "blank" out then bring on the Feds & Department of Education...
Shake my head....
 
#11 ·
oilcrk said:
I don't get how any past inFractions USC, OSU or SMU involved child rape & cover ups...again & again over 7-10 kids how isn't that repeating an offense? Cause he didnt get caught? Arguement wise he did get caught....
So why shouldn't 14 years of cover ups be a repeating offense? Wasn't Sandusky a coach sanctioned by the NCAA ? On a team sanctioned by the NCAA?
Cant the board of NCAA vote to increase the depth of authority & reach judgement wise ofi the teams schools they sanction?
If they "blank" out then bring on the Feds & Department of Education...
Shake my head....
I think you are missing the point of the OP. All of us agree that what happened is horrible and those that are found guilty should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. That is why we have criminal and civil laws and courts.
What some question is the NCAA's authority to hand out any penalty without proving any related NCAA infraction has occurred. Read the Sports Illustrated article again, it may help you to understand what power the NCAA does and does not have in this particular matter.
In my opinion Emmert is opening a Pandora's Box that down the road may prove to be his undoing!
 
#13 ·
Larry said:
The legality of the NCAA's ability to give the death penalty in this case would be subject to scrutiny, that's for sure. It would probably play out in court, and neither side wants that.

I'm am confident that there are "back door" conversations taking place between NCAA officials and PSU official, or at least between their lawyers to maintain "plausible deniability"
My thoughts exactly, I'm sure they are talking behind the scenes, they may have been talking since the BOD had Freeh do his investigations, I'll bet PSU already knows its penalty. It does them no good to fight any of it.
 
#14 ·
I would say that the problem that predicated the issue in the first place isn't confined to PSU. From posts here, football is more important than anything else. Apparently basic right and wrong with accountability still is overshadowed by a game.

It simply boggles my mind that not holding the institution and the football program, one in the same thing, is being defended.

I was wondering yesterday when working around the house, what if the victims (not the football players or program by the way) had been 12 to 15 year old girls? I assure you, PSU would be in ashes.

Let it be a young girl preyed upon, and everything would change in support and desire for retribution. Let it be a child of a member here and we would likely be donating to a legal defense fund. More, there would be no defense that would be acceptable.

Perspective is sorely lacking in this.

The University is the football program. The football team is the university. They are one in the same. No distinction; both are one in the same.

Punishment should follow suit.
 
#15 ·
Take that same mentality to your workplace. What if your owner, CEO, president, whatever, did the same thing, committed a crime and covered it up. Would you expect punishment for his action?

No one I know of is trying to put football above anything, we just want the offenders and criminals to be punished, not current or future students.
 
#17 ·
That is where you miss the entire point! It is the culture of football, first and foremost,the "we are Penn State" mentality that is the root cause of what happened. The root cause must be addressed and if that spills on people who had no direct involvment, so b it. Had those in charge and others done the right thing and exposed an monster as soon as they knew what he was, this whole discussion would be moot. The entire culture is being punished, as it should be. Perhaps, just perhaps, it will cause others in the future who may want to take the low road, to take the high one.
 
#18 ·
Not sure how allowing student athletes the ability to transfer immediately isn’t punishing the player. At this stage of the game collages already offered out scholarships and basically know the make-up of their teams for this season. Only the very best transfers would even have a shot playing for a Div 1 team this year.
 
#19 ·
If PSU had had a new head coach every 4 years NCAA would not have spanked them so hard. The St. Joe image is what took the biggest hit. I knew PSU’s football program took in a lot of money but had no idea it was 60 million.
This fine does not have to come just from athletics so this will not be a death blow to the program.
 
#20 ·
This fine does not have to come just from athletics so this will not be a death blow to the program.



So in other words, as taxpayers, we need to be watching the taxpayer money that is being sent to PSU like hawks?

I would hope that there is very strict and robust auditing of the tens on millions of dollars going to PSU from the taxpayers wallet. Maybe due to the less than desirability (as some suggest) tickets for a home game, the legislators will get serious about parring the taxpayer generosity to this PRIVATE institution back.
 
#21 ·
Still didn't answer my question. Maybe you couldn't read it because the glass walls in your house are glazed.

You're simply "ok" with innocent people being punished? You can say that because you aren't affected.
 
#22 ·
I am only as blind as you are. You have an attachment to Penn State, to me it is just another University, one that fomented a culture of hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil. It came back to them in spades and has bitten them. Everything was ok in Happy Valley so long as they had their football team. The point is, the football program and the rest of the University cannot be separated, the culture is so entwined. You don't have to be happy about the consequences, no one should be happy, just remember, they brought it on themselves. No matter what happens to those at Penn State, it will not be as bad or last as long as what happened to the children who were ravaged by Sandusky, then ravaged again by the University in their bid to protect the football program. The University wasn't concerned about what would happen to the students, the athletes involved in other sports or even the players on their own football team or the child victims, so long as the "program was protected". Why should anyone else? That is the answer to your question and I will reiterate, my vision is fine, I see as well as you, however in this case, I see it differently than you.
 
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#24 ·
My whole problem with this is WHERE is the DUE PROCESS. As Emmert said "Based on public perception". This whole thing is out of hand. A witch hunt IMO. I wish there would have been this big of an uproar over all the crooks in the banking industry. what did they get besides bailed out. No fines or prison time for anybody.You can't punish people based on perception and a biased report from Feeh but i guess they can.
 
#26 ·
But... Penn State accepted the sanctions.

They are - Penn State. They are Penn State far more than the rest of - Penn State, Those people appointed - decided that the sanctions were just. They accepted them.


Done deal.

Now to strip the library name of one of the offenders. No good reason to allow that door step to be darkened as well.
 
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