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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-21-2012, 02:16 PM Thread Starter
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Pipeline Coming to a Neighborhood Near You?

The National Pipeline Mapping System (NPMS) is a geographic information system (GIS) created by the U.S. Department of Transportation, Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA), Office of Pipeline Safety (OPS) in cooperation with other federal and state governmental agencies and the pipeline industry. The NPMS consists of geospatial data, attribute data, public contact information, and metadata pertaining to the interstate and intrastate hazardous liquid trunklines and hazardous liquid low-stress lines as well as gas transmission pipelines, liquefied natural gas (LNG) plants, and hazardous liquid breakout tanks jurisdictional to PHMSA.



The NPMS does not contain information on interconnects, pump and compressor stations, valves, direction of flow, capacity, throughput, or operating pressure. In addition, distribution and gathering pipelines are not included in the NPMS.

https://www.npms.phmsa.dot.gov/

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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-21-2012, 09:48 PM
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Re: Pipeline Coming to a Neighborhood Near You?

I'm noticing the local gas company putting in more connections in our streets these days. Couple local streets were closed last week with gas work.



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good bring it
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Re: Pipeline Coming to a Neighborhood Near You?

Since the 70's a whole lot of folks have been harping about our dependence on foreign oil and energy. That number grows with each trip to the gas station anymore.

Energy policy and plans are major issues in national elections. With the advent of local (state) energy policy, it will become a heated state issue down to the local level.

Yet, just in this state alone, we have an estimated 100 year supply of natural gas. That is from the Marcellus layer, there are others under that.

So, we will need pipe;lines of all types and sizes to get this gas to the end users. Like the wells themselves, the initial phase is ugly and disruptive. Yet after it is finished and covered. most people are unaware of their existence.

Energy independence has a cost. On the flip side of the coin, it has a pay off as Americans, we will be less prone to be drawn into foreign conflicts.

So, until the other, so far unproven, unavailable, and the logistical services to deliver them are devised... the alternative energy sector remains that - alternative. Really, we should call them proposed energy sources. As that is what they are.

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this glut of gas is causing prices to plummet to new lows.gas companies are looking for ways to export there gas overseas where they will get 3x the price.one way to do this is to pipe it to export facilities.this will cause supplies to tighten and prices to rise.be careful what you wish for.

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Export will help in the short term. It will create jobs and help build the infrastructer for this country to use the Gas.

This country is still several years away from converting over to use all the gas we have, power plants, refueling stations for cars/trucks etc. If we can export gas now to help offset the oil imports,and build infrastructer, it's not all a bad thing.

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Export will help in the short term. It will create jobs and help build the infrastructer for this country to use the Gas.

This country is still several years away from converting over to use all the gas we have, power plants, refueling stations for cars/trucks etc. If we can export gas now to help offset the oil imports,and build infrastructer, it's not all a bad thing.
Good point, slap a tariff on exported gas and earmark the earnings for tax incentives for people to convert their vehicles, businesses to install filling stations etc...if they are serious about the converstion this is what they would do. I'm not so sure they (energy companies) are serious about the conversion. But, I'm pretty sure they're serious about making a lot of money. Which is what they'll do once the export facilities are up and running. The other danger is the selling of the control of the gas rights/supply lines/facilities to foreign entities...ie...CHINA
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The other danger is the selling of the control of the gas rights/supply lines/facilities to foreign entities...ie...CHINA
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Utilizing natural gas beyond current requirements, will take years. Homes and businesses can be converted to it from oil fairly quickly, but it takes years and many millions of dollers in investments, to build gas-fired generating facilities and distribution pipeline systems.

No matter what gas costs today, by the time a new gas-fired generating plant can be built, it may have tripled in cost by then?

Electricity demand keeps increasing, yet few new generation plants have been built and there are groups springing up in opposition to every new transmission line proposal.

NIMBY: It's not just for nuke plants these days. Everyone wants affordable electricity and gas heat. No one wants it to affect their perceptions of a quality life style where they live.

Gas exploration and drilling are just the tip of the energy iceberg. Without pipelines connecting the wells to end users, the gas is useless. Yet there are groups fighting the expansion at every turn. Either on the basis of environmental concerns, or in opposition to having compressor stations/pipelines near their homes.

Like road constructions signs, it's a matter of temporary inconvenience/permanent improvement, on the road to more energy independance. Whether some want to like it, or not?

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Nat gas will be back at $7-$8 CF again this year, then we'll realize some serious $$ again. The mild winter and glut of gas has made the low price. That'll change. We love the pipelines, they provide better habitat management opportunities.

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