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Wyoming now has more smog than LA?

Rural Wyoming, known for breathtaking vistas, now has worse smog than Los Angeles because of its boom in natural gas drilling.

Preliminary data show the region's ozone levels last Wednesday got as high as 124 parts per billion, which is two-thirds higher than the Environmental Protection Agency's maximum healthy limit of 75 parts per billion and above the worst day in Los Angeles all last year, 114 parts per billion, AP reports.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...-gas-drilling/1

The above story is from March of 2011. Posted because I believe it ties in with the following story from this December.


http://fuelfix.com/blog/2011/12/01/i...-gas-drilling/

Proposed regulations designed to curb pollution from oil and gas drilling will suppress domestic energy production and inflate costs, the industry’s largest trade group warned today.

In comments filed with the Environmental Protection Agency last night and in a conference call with reporters today, the American Petroleum Institute took aim at the proposed new limits on pollution emitted during drilling, production at wells and eventual transportation of the fossil fuels.

Howard Feldman, API’s director of regulatory and scientific affairs, called the EPA’s initial proposal “overly burdensome”
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Re: Wyoming now has more smog than LA?

another article that does not say where air quality samples were taken, how many days this happened. More of the same anti drilling articles that don't really speak the truth.

Oh, and the EPA is using POTENTIAL GAS PIPELINE leaks in their analysis of why gas production is worse that burning coal for air pollution.

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Re: Wyoming now has more smog than LA?

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another article that does not say where air quality samples were taken, how many days this happened. More of the same anti drilling articles that don't really speak the truth.

Oh, and the EPA is using POTENTIAL GAS PIPELINE leaks in their analysis of why gas production is worse that burning coal for air pollution.
Here is the 250 page 2011 Upper Green River Ozone Study released by Wyoming's DEQ in October. Interestingly enough it backs up EVERY single factoid in the original article.

http://deq.state.wy.us/aqd/downloads/Air..._Appendices.pdf


As to potential gas leakages from pipelines, you are correct. Although the projections also include gas leaks from wells - whether faulty or intentional flaring and venting. I fail to see what your point is however as that is an acceptable protocol in the scientific field. Projections based on extrapolated data from past performance is an issue how? As you have claimed to be a scientist, I would have thought you would have known this.
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Re: Wyoming now has more smog than LA?


Wyoming’s ozone problem is fairly unique. While air emissions can cause ground-level ozone to soar in urban areas during the summer, ozone in the Upper Green River Basin peaks each year between January and March.

A combination of bright sunshine, snow on the ground and temperature inversions creates ideal conditions for atmospheric chemical reactions that create ozone. Certain air emissions from the Pinedale Anticline and Jonah gas fields fuel those reactions.




Read more: http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/...l#ixzz1hrAXgPkN

I believe the study reflects that many conditions come into play for the higher readings.... snow cover, radiation, wind direction, time of day all have an effect...hence the spikes in readings.

Not suggesting that drilling does not emit air pollution , but the Wyoming numbers are not necessarily reflective of findings thoughout the country.

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Re: Wyoming now has more smog than LA?

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Wyoming’s ozone problem is fairly unique. While air emissions can cause ground-level ozone to soar in urban areas during the summer, ozone in the Upper Green River Basin peaks each year between January and March.

A combination of bright sunshine, snow on the ground and temperature inversions creates ideal conditions for atmospheric chemical reactions that create ozone. Certain air emissions from the Pinedale Anticline and Jonah gas fields fuel those reactions.




Read more: http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/...l#ixzz1hrAXgPkN

I believe the study reflects that many conditions come into play for the higher readings.... snow cover, radiation, wind direction, time of day all have an effect...
The conditions allow for atmospheric chemical reactions fueled by? According to your link air emissions from the Pinedale Anticline gas field and the Jonah gas field.

I don't believe anyone claimed it is representative to the rest of the country, just that Wyoming's spikes in ozone were higher than L.A.'s. in the past year.
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Re: Wyoming now has more smog than LA?

Your title of this thread is then certainly misleading wouldn't you agree... The fact that a spike is noted does not mean that Wyoming has more smog than LA... It only means that on March 12th at 12:00 Noon it had a higher reading

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Re: Wyoming now has more smog than LA?

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Your title of this thread is then certainly misleading wouldn't you agree... The fact that a spike is noted does not mean that Wyoming has more smog than LA... It only means that on March 12th at 12:00 Noon it had a higher reading
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Your title of this thread is then certainly misleading wouldn't you agree... The fact that a spike is noted does not mean that Wyoming has more smog than LA... It only means that on March 12th at 12:00 Noon it had a higher reading
No I would not agree. Do you see the curvy line with the dot at the bottom of it at the end of the title of this thread. That is called a question mark. A question mark implies a question not a statement. Would it be better if I had just used the headline of the story which reads: Wyoming's smog exceeds Los Angeles' due to gas drilling
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Re: Wyoming now has more smog than LA?

Wyoming <u>now</u> has more smog than LA?

OK I'll give the question in your favor. the answer is of course... NO. It does not.

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Re: Wyoming now has more smog than LA?

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the answer is of course... NO. It does not.
The statistics listed in the DEQ report state at times (no not one hour as the tests are an average of an 8 hour sampling) this part of Wyoming had periods of higher ozone readings than LA did in 2011 year to date.

Of course, if you have contradicting data, I'd love to read it.
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