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Hypothetical of course.... but play along.

Ok. Any true Pens fan, I THINK, would consider this era of Crosby/Malkin a disappointment SO FAR, right ? I mean what, 10 years, 1 cup, and playoff runs that typically end far too early when dubbed Cup favorites. Add to that, the completely hot mess that 2015 has turned into, and....

So. How many of you would forego this (possibly failed) 2 star system of a hockey team, vanquish their 8.7 Mil/Per, and start over with a Connor McDavid, with a new supporting cast, starting next season ? How many of you would still choose to ride out the Crosby/Malkin era for a few more years, and take your chances that way for another cup or two ?

Again, I know this isn't on the table, just wondering how many would take each route.

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I'll keep what we've got.

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The odds are still pretty low that McDavid ends up being a player of Malkin/Crosby caliber, look at Mackinnon

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Perhaps you are correct ? Though, as good as Malkin is at times, I don't believe his numbers as far as goals and assists, are staggering ? So McDavid won't have to walk on water to put up Malkin numbers ?

Myself. I would choose to start anew. This just has gotten stale. BUT, from an ownership perspective, it hasn't failed. It puts butts in seats at Consol, and that's what an owner wants. Fans, we want playoffs, deep runs, and cups. A fan's sense of "failure" probably isn't the same idea as an owner's sense of failure. Actually, this era hasn't been a complete failure. Under-achievement may be a better term ?

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Re: Hypothetical of course.... but play along.

I am not advocating this but I have always believed that Malkin would not be a Penguin his entire career.

Given the choice I say keep what we have but improve the supporting cast.

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Given the choice I say keep what we have but improve the supporting cast.
^^^THIS^^^

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Isn't the fact that a two equal salaried superstar system, straps the organization financially to the point that they can't really improve on support cast members ? Haven' they been trying to improve that cast for years now ?

Fact of the matter is, when Duper and Kunitz got their contracts, that admittedly hamper the cap, one could argue they were worth it. Not sure anybody would have predicted a precipitous drop-off in scoring from Kunitz, and blood-clots from Duper ?

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Not really, its more about giving aging players/less skilled guys contract that are overpayment........

For instance you are payinng Scuderi approx 4 mil/year and Erhoff 5 mil. / yr.

When you could have you could have had young talent like DP or Bortuzzo/Despres playing for 850k a year........that creates a lot of cap space in a hurry......

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Kunitz and Scuderi aren't playing up to their contracts. Injuries aren't helping. And, of all the guys they got recently (Winnik, Cole, LaPierre, Perron) only Cole is really playing well. Comeau has cooled off and Bennett never heated up.

The problem isn't Sid or Geno.

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Kunitz and Scuderi aren't playing up to their contracts. Injuries aren't helping. And, of all the guys they got recently (Winnik, Cole, LaPierre, Perron) only Cole is really playing well. Comeau has cooled off and Bennett never heated up.

The problem isn't Sid or Geno.
I agree. Sid and Geno have been at the top or near the tops in points in the league every year so it is hard to argue that it is all their fault. A couple of years in the playoffs they had disappointing point totals though, but then again they are heavily targeted.

The Pens sold out over various years trading away draft picks trying to pick up a rental player to put them over the top. Nothing wrong with that but eventually that catches up to you. As mentioned a couple of players are getting paid way more than their current playing level.

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