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Kayak, Canoe owners may have to pay for registrati

I was reading the March 1 2013 Pennsylvania Outdoor news (page 4) and ran across this article. It seems the PFBC is going to approach legislators to get the OK to make registering non-motorized craft mandatory.

I looked on-line to try and find a link with no luck but I did cut the article out of the Outdoor News so it is factual. From the looks of it the PFBC gets revenue back from the Coast Guard for each registration.

If anyone can find a link to the article please post it.

This one could get troublesome for non-powered boat owners because part of current registration is proving you paid tax on the purchase of the boat.

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 02-28-2013, 03:07 PM
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I see o harm in that.

Sure, another fee to a state agency. What is it now $12 for two years?


But the lakes and streams are there because of the fee's in the first place. Second, some of the lakes are being drained due to lack of funds to repair dams.

We get what we pay for and maintain. Complaining will not provide the maintenance required for these special places in the long term.

Is your position a short term gain - or a long term loss? Separate the issues.
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Re: Kayak, Canoe owners may have to pay for registrati

You are already required to purchase a launch permit to use PF&B commission operated and maintained waterways. The launch permits are $10 for one year or $18 for 2 years.
Sounds to me like they'd be losing money by doing this.

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All State Park,PFBC,GL and ACOE lakes require permits now. About the only places you don't need one is on a private lake or at your bungalow along a river(as long as you don't use a PFBC launch)

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I see o harm in that.

Sure, another fee to a state agency. What is it now $12 for two years?
It's not so much the fee but the registration process....as in proving you paid state sales tax on the purchase of the craft. How about those numbers on the hull? Who is responsible for sending in the sales tax in private deals because registrations are not titles?

All this is still preliminary and stuff to be worked out but I think this isn't going to be popular with most folks.

Current regs for registering non-motorized craft.
http://www.fish.state.pa.us/faqregt.htm#5

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The bigger issue remains, PFBC needs cash to fix the dams and keep fish hatcheries open. It has to come from somewhere.

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I think another issue is kayaks, canoes, and sailboats are used more on a recreational basis than actual fishing.
Let them jack up licenses and stamps to cover hatcheries.

Another question I would have; and maybe you know the answer, does such a move cut the DCNR out of the picture because they also issue launch permits as registration I believe falls specifically in the PFBC's realm?

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I saw the same article. My family currently owns three kayaks, I get launch permits for every one of them. It is 18.00 for a two year permit. What gets me about the launch permits is this, I have to provide the make, model, year, color and hull ID number when I register for launch permits.
When the Fish and Boat Commission mails them to me, they put a disclaimer in the envelope which states, "If your boat becomes lost or stolen, Use Permit decals will not assist with its recovery, because they are not recorded." I then ask myself why do I have to provide all the information then??
I suggest this, if they need to get more money, why not make a non-powered recreational watercraft permit? Keep it the same price as the launch permits, 10.00 for a year, 18.00 for a two year permit? Make everyone who owns a kayak or canoe without an electric or gas engine to have a permit like this.
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I suggest this, if they need to get more money, why not make a non-powered recreational watercraft permit? Keep it the same price as the launch permits, 10.00 for a year, 18.00 for a two year permit?
Because they won't get the $2.91 back from the USCG (in the article) unless they are registered? This whole thing isn't much more than a federal money grab.

I do believe the price to register a non-powered craft like a kayak is the same as the launch permit (see link above) and they will have to administrate the registrations where launch permits are grab & go and available at a lot of locations.

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Re: Kayak, Canoe owners may have to pay for registrati

I think they got something wrong in that artical - Why would the PFBC who enforce all boating laws in Pa. only get $2.91 back from the USCG who do not enforce boating laws in Pa(with some exemptions around Philly, Pittsburgh, and Lake Erie)?

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