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post #41 of 43 (permalink) Old 12-10-2019, 06:39 PM
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I was encountering multiple flushes in heavy laurel in uncut forests of the GWNF... It seems to me if West Nile was killing all PAs birds then it should be killing VAs birds also...That's why PAs biologists need to work with other close by states biologists to try to figure how many the virus is killing... VA has birds of prey also and they have MANY more bobcats then PA has which also kill grouse...


West Nile Virus is not killing all the grouse in PA. There are plenty of grouse left in parts of the state. Yes there are fewer grouse in certain areas and perhaps none left in certain areas. It is a combination of factors that have reduced the numbers. WNV, habitat lose, predators, ect.
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I was encountering multiple flushes in heavy laurel in uncut forests of the GWNF... It seems to me if West Nile was killing all PAs birds then it should be killing VAs birds also...That's why PAs biologists need to work with other close by states biologists to try to figure how many the virus is killing... VA has birds of prey also and they have MANY more bobcats then PA has which also kill grouse...


West Nile Virus is not killing all the grouse in PA. There are plenty of grouse left in parts of the state. Yes there are fewer grouse in certain areas and perhaps none left in certain areas. It is a combination of factors that have reduced the numbers. WNV, habitat lose, predators, ect.
I'm not gonna broadcast "locations" and offend anybody but let's say some areas of bald eagle state forest and tiaghdaton state forest have been doing just fine. Now I won't say it's a booming population but its holding it's own. I dont know but I will say I've seen this coincidence....see alot more fishers in the last 5 years and less Turkey and grouse in the same time span...plenty of grouse drumming along the creeks in trout season just like always though....

Anybody can shoot deer on the farm ground....You earn it in the mountains.......
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Bald Eagle and Tiaghdaton state forests have very poor habitat for grouse, and not much is being cut in those SF's. If you listen to the turkey biologist report at the recent commissioners meeting, she talked about the loss of brood cover needed for turkeys(and grouse). She also talked about the wet springs we've had for the past few years; wet years kill broods. So while you want to blame low numbers on fisher introduction, they make an easy scapegoat when habitat and weather are the culprits.

And just like you hear drummers, spring gobbler harvests are staying level.

Plenty of scouting and good habitat makes for a great hunt.

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