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Rec. cabin exemption trying to be eliminated

The exemptions from the costly building codes are trying to be shrunk again and the regulations to the common man are being increased. The most recent meeting of the once failed "UCC Review and Advisory Council" has taken it upon themselves to tighten the noose on individual rights even further. I don't know if this is final yet and will become effective when the code changes next year or not, but I wanted to make folks aware of the movement now so they can contact these egotistical morons he11 bent on controlling yet another aspect of your life. Their current sights are beading down on camps!

Read for yourself and see who is involved.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal...=661794&mode=2

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Discussion on Section 104 of the UCC Act, dealing with narrowing of exclusions of buildings and work. John Kampmeyer outlined the recommendations of the working group that: (a) the exclusion for utility and <span style="color: #33cc00">miscellaneous use structures</span> to detached one family dwellings <span style="color: #33cc00">be lowered to single story and less than 400 square feet</span>, (b) that the <span style="color: #3366FF">exemption for agricultural buildings only apply to buildings under 400 square feet and of a single story</span>, (c) that the exclusion for <span style="color: #CC33CC">installation of vinyl siding be amended to only apply to existing one- and two-family dwellings</span> and (d) that the <span style="color: #FF0000">exclusion for recreational cabins be amended to include a 1,000 square foot size total floor area limitation and they be required to have smoke alarms, carbon monoxide alarms and emergency escape and rescue openings.</span>

Things were further reduced when this happened:
John Kampmeyer made a motion that the recommendation be that the exemption for <span style="color: #33CC00">utility and miscellaneous structures to detached one and two family dwellings be lowered to a size limit of 200 square feet</span>; that the exemption for installation of aluminum siding be limited to one- and two-family dwellings; and that the recreational cabin exemption be changed to require smoke alarms per IRC Article 314, CO alarms per Article 315 and sleeping rooms with emergency escape and rescue opening per Article 310 in recreational cabins up to 1,000 square feet, <span style="color: #FF0000">and that recreational cabins in excess of 1,000 square feet be subject to the Act.</span> <u><span style="color: #FF6600">The motion passed unanimously.</span></u>

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Re: Rec. cabin exemption trying to be eliminated

Those "in charge" have apparently noticed that many are now building houses as recreational dwellings and not the small "traditional" cabins, that once were the norm?

They are most likely convinced that many of these new deluxe seasonal dwellings, will someday be occupied on a full time basis, once the owners retire?

Just a guess.

My own observations of the area where my cabin is, note that several of the newer cabins are now three or four bedroom modulars and double wides; Custom-built shanties in excess of 1500 square feet and some really wild customs well over 2000 square feet.

That includes a few cedar and log abodes that obviously cost well over a hundred grand to erect, plus the cost of the considerable acreage upon which they sit.

One example down the road, was built on 90 acres about ten years ago and occupied full time, originally. That two story log house is now owned by two surgeons and used as a seasonal dwelling (hunting camp). Selling price last year, was approximately in the $400,000 range.

There are now several such examples in the twp. my cabin has been in for the past 40 years. Including the 1200+ acre operation, upon which the crew was busted last season for "mineral residue" on opening day. Also with a very large custom log "cabin" on it.

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Re: Rec. cabin exemption trying to be eliminated

We have had some nasty fires in cabins with deaths involved, thus the detector and exit requirements.

Exit requirements are mostly number of exits and in the case of bedrooms, the size of window openings.

I really have no problem with a 1,000 sq ft limitiation. Larger than that it should meet code as it is likely to be used full time in the future.

The detectors are simply common sense.

I'm not too happy with the window exit requirements, they tend to be quite large as they must accomodate a fireman with full air pack.
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Just a guess.
Pretty good one at that

Our old camp was actually a cape cod. When we sold it, it was still a camp. It has since been sold again and now in use full time.

I know 3 couples that have pulled up stakes down here in SC PA and moved up north. One since the economic down turn.
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I don't doubt that happens Denny but it's not the norm. Again it's punish the masses because of the few.

Cabin fires happen 99.9% of the time to existing ones, not new ones which this applies to, so like the sprinkler issue, it's nothing more than a feel good regulation that doesn't help but only hinders. And egress windows have always been a farce. Fireman don't climb thru window sash's, they take an axe and bust thru the glass and the mullions of both sashes and then climb thru the opening. An area that's twice the requirement.

And why force farmers to incur added costs or the average Joe because he wants a shed. There's just no valid reason to try to regulate these aspects of daily life based on a bunch of "what if" scenario's that are few and far between.

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Re: Rec. cabin exemption trying to be eliminated

Wasn't an attempt at "justifying" these new regs, only pointing out that things are changing in the area of "camps" and such.

I know several people that have built fairly extensive rural digs in the past few years, that are now hunting camps/recreational cabins, but were fully intended to be retirement homes, at some point in the next few years.

Figure that's the "thinking" behind most of the new regulations: Addressing the increasing incidences of former camps/cabins, becoming dwellings? Not that I agree with these regs.

We ran into this problem last year, when building a 30x40 storage addition onto one of our gunclub buildings. We classified it as "agricultural storage", because while it will mostly used to store pallets of claybirds for our trap program, it's also used for storing tractors, seeder and other equipment used on club grounds, pheasant raising and food plot work, etc.

The twp. classified it as a commercial structure, so it cost quite a bit more, for additional footer requirements; control joints/bond beam in the masonry walls; H beam over the garage door, etc.

Part of our problem, is that the twp. rezoned our 154 acre property several years ago, from Ag/Forest, to R1 or some variant thereof, that retained the ability to raise livestock, but limited other uses such as additional buildings. They did wave the requirement for filing a land use plan, but that's about it.

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