Can this really be that old? - The HuntingPA.com Outdoor Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-19-2014, 10:58 PM Thread Starter
Frequent Contributor
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Fayette Co. 2A
Posts: 628
Back To Top
Can this really be that old?

There is a log cabin on the neighbors property in Greene Co. that is said to have been built in 1803.... Looking at the wood it looks like it was shaved down by an axe or some kind of tool.



Also what wood do you think it is?

I Hunt 2A and West Virginia.
Kickin_Killa is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-19-2014, 11:26 PM
The Man
 
bootmud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 6,526
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

Axe marks when they "squared" the logs. If its that old then they r probably american chestnut, but i would have no idea how old it really is. Very cool though!
bootmud is offline  
post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-19-2014, 11:28 PM
Sage
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Townsend, DE
Posts: 52,307
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

Shaped by an adze or adz, was chestnut popular in that area, it was used heavily around here for log building..
RonM is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-19-2014, 11:45 PM
Part of the Community
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: 4A Fulton Co.
Posts: 196
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

Squared up the logs with a broad axe or an adz. I would also have to guess American Chestnut. You can start to narrow down the age of the building if the logs were determined to be chestnut. It's amazing how long a structure will last if the roof of the building is kept in shape. I also read once where windows were put in building at that height to let light in and to make it more difficult for outside entry.
Fishfeathers is offline  
post #5 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-20-2014, 10:23 AM
Frequent Contributor
 
Hemry27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Home:Sarver /Camp:Lynch
Posts: 871
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

Even for a craftsman today, the corners are impressive.

I have CDO, its like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order the way they should be.
Hemry27 is offline  
post #6 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-20-2014, 10:59 AM
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Shippensburg, Michaux and 4B
Posts: 1,033
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

200 years? I would think termites and carpenter bees and just natural wood rot would have taken it down by now. Very cool old building though!

It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.
burninghxcsoul is offline  
post #7 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-20-2014, 04:19 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: 2A-Wash. Co.
Posts: 16,449
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that it is not completely original. If there were any original in an 1803 cabin/shack left to the elements with no real upkeep, in 2014, I would say it would be very little. That's over 210 years. There would be no roof left, and there is absolutley no way the exterior wood would still be that tight, not to mention all of the "chinking" still in order. The elements are much too harsh. Sometimes, you will still find original Oak type beams in old structures with adz marks, but that's about it for original wood.

My guess, probably built as a repro (look-alike) mid last century, 1940's, 50's, 60's ? That or, HEAVILY refurbished around that time.

2A-Wash. Co.
Fleroo is offline  
post #8 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-20-2014, 04:24 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: 2A-Wash. Co.
Posts: 16,449
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

Oh, by the way. Check the mud/chinking. Pull a small piece, break it open, and se if there is animal coat mixed in. Horse hair, Mule, etc.... That will give you an idea of age also. It would REALLY be a restoration if somebody mimmicked the horse-hair type chinking.

... and another by the way. My brother-in-law and I replaced a church stoop entrance roof using the old practice of "Mortise and Tenon". I was younger than he, so guess who got all the chisel work ? We used Poplar beam blanks. Poplar is a softer kind of wood, but made it easier on the chiseling. My guess is that the roof structure we were replacing wasn't even original (maybe mid/late 1800's), we used a Black kind of stain-paint on it. It would certainly look old and rustic today to the untrained eye, but that old church has a front stoop roof from 1982.

..... and, is that an elecrical box with wire on lower left ? mebbe not. Would be a good place for a metal detector.

2A-Wash. Co.
Fleroo is offline  
post #9 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-20-2014, 05:13 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: lancaster
Posts: 12,033
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

The logs are squared using both a broad axe and an adz. The broadaxe cuts down to a line and then an adz is used to pry off the chips. The corner joining is peculiar. I have seen six or so different styles and this one is not like the others. Normally all cuts sloped downward and away from the interior corner to direct driven rain away from the depth of the notches. Such cabins can last a very long time with sufficient over hanging roofs to keep the walls relatively dry. Many times the logs were covered with clapboard siding which further protected the logs from weather. There is an old log barn outside Felton PA and the interior log partititions are said to date to the late 1790's. The exterior walls were replaced with post and beam over a century ago.
zimmerstutzen is online now  
post #10 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-20-2014, 11:00 PM Thread Starter
Frequent Contributor
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Fayette Co. 2A
Posts: 628
Back To Top
Re: Can this really be that old?

Yes they ran electric in it and someone put a metal roof on it a long time ago.
Last summer an older couple stopped in to look at it. They live in Ohio and told me they used to live in it in the early 70's.
The land and the cabin was owned by an old man from Waynesburg. They told me he said that's the year it was built.
The chinking is almost gone except where someone made an attempt to restore it along the line. It's starting to get in rough shape. I wish I owned it so I could restore it to its former condition!
Someone broke in it last year so I contacted the neighbor and told him we would fix the door because he is never there. We asked if we could check it out. He said no problem.
The floor is caving in and you can see daylight everywhere where the mud is gone when you look at the walls....like I said before it's really in bad shape.

I Hunt 2A and West Virginia.
Kickin_Killa is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The HuntingPA.com Outdoor Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome