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Carl Shaffer Pennsylvania Farm Bureau Pres On SH

<a href="http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/11/guest_column_farmers_support_s.html" target="_blank">Farmers across the commonwealth and a mounting number of other Pennsylvanians have been sending a clear message to members of the state General Assembly: "Don't expand Sunday hunting."

Most farmers feel strongly about it because we want a day of peace and quiet on Sunday, when we may work less and enjoy more time with our family and friends around the farm.

Posting "No Sunday Hunting" on our lands won't prevent intrusions. Hunters frequently wander from one property onto another, and while responsible hunters respect private property, landowners know that trespass and poor enforcement is a problem that would become worse.

Farmers also hunt and provide sportsmen access to vast amounts of land. While we feed the wildlife, hunters help us control the devastation of crops and loss of income. It has been a good balance of mutual interests. Also, many hunters do not want the law changed, for a variety of reasons.

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Amen.........not unreasonable to Me , They own and pay taxes , Hey ITS THEIR LAND
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They were offered stricter trespass laws. They were told they would be written to their own specifications. Mr. Shaffer needs to be more forthright.

In fact, they have YET to come to the table. Hopefully, that changes after their meeting, but it seems to me the leadership at PFB is heck bent on using peer pressure- something they commonly use to get other farmers to go along.

Why didn't he say in his letter that a resolution was being brought to the table by some counties in SUPPORT Of Sunday Hunting? Its the truth! Why didn't he say some farmers WANT Sunday hunting? Its the truth!

Aah. They have a meeting coming up. Lets shame those farmers that might speak favorably about Sunday hunting into submission- just before the meeting. I get it. Go along with the big dogs at the top.

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One really needs to wonder, beyond the SH discussion, is trespassing the bigger issue?

Trespass laws are scattered over five or six sections of law. There is no coherent scheme to the fines and penalties as some are high verse similar low fines in other sections.

It is also well known that the rules and methods regarding posting and enforcement are all over the map. The urban legend of what is lawful posting or allowed for access is all over the place.

It amazes me, that as one of the organizations representing landowners in Pennsylvania, with all the charges of trespass and quality of life issues surrounding it, that the PFB has not made revision and codifying the trespass laws priority one. Not just now in the midst of the SH issue, but years ago.

I have stated before, and will renew the suggestion again, the time is now for a full rework of the trespass laws found anywhere in the PA Code. More important, to combine and simplify all aspects of trespass into one statute. Then simplify the fines and penalties into a coherent format.

Right now, we have trespass, ag trespass, ATV trespass, bio area trespass, and one or two others that address specific interests. One has to seriously wonder if this isn't a reason for lack of coherent serious enforcement. Or at least one aspect of it.

Leaving the emotion, hype, support / non-support for SH, it would be wise to address the state statutes concerning trespass before taking on SH.

No one wins, no one loses by taking on trespass first. The status quot remains as it has been ... forever. But, addressing a large sub-issue of the SH debate has the effect of resolving a thorn of an issue that affects landowners of every stripe and also figures prominently in the SH debate.

Resolving the trespass issue will also most likely serve hunters and sportsmen in a positive manner. A clear set of laws that are consistent, clear, and easily enforced remove the wiggle room and excuse riddled defense often used.

It is my opinion, and it appears to be the opinion of the PFB and others, that until the trespass issue is resolved SH will not happen. It is time to be plain in language and action and make trespass reform a priority by the PFB and others.

It is time for PFB and others to make trespass a legislative issue of top priority. They need to be clear, and direct in their desire as they have not been so far.

For those that want SH and see this as a retreat; hardly. It is a building block.

For the PFB and other landowners, it is a long overdue latent desire floundering in the stew of other issues.

It seems disingenuous to complain of trespass and not use the in house apparatus and clout of the PFB to get the process started.

With due respect to all, get up out of the chair and lets get the process going. SH aside, trespass has been an issue far longer than SH or even deer management. But don't place it as a block to SH or any other issue without taking it on.

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"We'll(Who? Stabeck and Co.?) give you stricter trespass laws, if you give us Sunday Hunting?" Is that about it?

Mr. Shaffer doesn't sound like a "crack pot", but a farmer with genuine concerns. I agree with Bluetick here, in that the conglomeration of tresspass laws currently in effect, need to be addressed, sooner rather than later. It seems that this "spread sheet" of current laws needed the attention of the Legislature years ago, and not be dependent on a "push" from any particular group of private land owners.

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Berks, you're as bad as 64.

All of the sportsman's groups are willing to deal with the farm bureau and the legislature.

The only GENUINE concern they MIGHT have is trespass- YET, they FLAT OUT REFUSE to talk about it? Come on.

They boldly LIE as if to say "That can't be corrected" when the TRUTH of the matter is; it can be made better. We aint gonna even attempt to start until they get to the table.

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Re: Carl Shaffer Pennsylvania Farm Bureau Pres On SH

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We aint gonna even attempt to start until they get to the table.
Think maybe thats part of the problem? All around us states have made trespass better, yet here in PA we try to push a bill through first, then if we dont get our way think about trespass. A little backwards if you ask me. ANd maybe just enough to anger some folks.
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No, its not part of the problem. How can anyone know what the farm bureau wants if they aren't MEN enough to sit and talk. Yep. I'm using the man card.

They are the ones and about the laws.

I don't know a single legislator who took mind reading and passed the class. Same goes for the leadership in the sporting community.

Takes a lot of nerve to complain about the lack of laws protecting them and then they act like spoiled brats. Everyone has asked them what they want with regard to trespass laws. All they do is stick their noses in the air and walk away. Disingenuous at best.

Really? My two year old used to do that.

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You act like our trespass laws are perfect and we've never had any issues. Sorry, we all know thats not the case. We also have known what others states have done to better protect their citizens. Its ok, pass it off on the FB. I expect that.
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Tresspass laws are one issue, Sunday hunting is another. The talk of tresspass laws seems to be up front now, as it can effectively be used as a decoy to slow movement on legislation regarding a regulatory transfer.

There was no outcry for tougher trespass laws until now. I guess it was never an issue with hunting 6 days of the week. But, add a Sunday during bear and there will be folks crawling all over the farms that were barren of hunters Monday through Saturday.

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