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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 10-24-2011, 12:34 AM Thread Starter
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Sunday Hunting Lawsuit May Be Filed

Three species object to Sunday shootin'

By Eric Heyl, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, October 23, 2011

This could get coyote-ugly for state taxpayers.

Although legislators finally are taking aim at Pennsylvania's senseless restrictions on Sunday hunting, it already might be too late to avoid a lawsuit over the prohibition.

Enacted in 1873, the hunting ban is one of the last vestiges of the state's antiquated blue laws that severely limited Sunday activities out of deference to the Deity. Back then, people were hauled away in handcuffs just for grocery shopping or working on The New York Times crossword.

It's long been permissible to pick up a crossword dictionary or pot roast on Sunday, although doing both at the same time is not recommended. But the Elmer Fudd-like stalking of rabbits, raccoons, squirrels and other rascally creatures has remained verboten.

That soon could change. A bill has been introduced that would permit Sunday hunting, and lawmakers just released a study suggesting tangible financial benefits exist in allowing Bambi to be blown to bits on Sunday.

How tangible?

Expanding the current roster of creatures that can be harvested that day beyond the predatory fox and coyote, and the crop-destroying crow, could generate $804 million annually in economic activity, according to the report.

That's one significant reason for relaxing Sunday hunting restrictions. Another one is attempting to stave off the aforementioned litigation.

The lawsuits wouldn't come from hunters long frustrated by their inability to indulge in their harmless pursuit on Sunday, but from a group with an even greater interest in the matter: foxes, coyotes and crows.

You think coyotes across the state didn't howl when they heard news accounts of the legislative study and the sickening realization dawned on them?

"What?" they probably asked incredulously. "You mean to tell us we've spent decades of Sundays running for our lives while groundhogs have been able to put their paws up on the table, open a bag of chips and watch the Steelers game?"

Lawyers probably already have flocked to the forest to persuade these aggrieved creatures they should sue the state for violating federal equal employment opportunity laws.

Seems likely that these employees of Pennsylvania -- which literally means "Penn's woods" -- would agree.

Federal law prohibits discrimination in the use of company facilities, which in this case happens to be the outdoors. The state gives most critters free run of its facilities on Sundays, while others are penalized with potential death if they use them.

How fair is that?

It's uncertain what the animals could win if they prevailed. Language in the EEOC law suggests they could be financially compensated, or the state could be forced to take unspecified actions to make the discrimination victims "whole."

That could prove difficult, however, if the victims are lying in pieces on the ground.

State lawmakers should lift the hunting prohibition and pronto, before a discrimination complaint is filed on behalf of the foxes, coyotes and crows.

They aren't guaranteed to win a legal action.

But if the law isn't rescinded, I bet they take a shot at it.


Read more: Three species object to Sunday shootin' - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...#ixzz1betWvYbd

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Hah! Written tongue in cheek, but still not as silly as some of the baseless reasoning coming from those who are opposed.

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Yep. That was sarcasm most can understand.

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Re: Sunday Hunting Lawsuit May Be Filed

With the more recent decisions in many aspects of American life and the equity decisions, he's not to far off base. It might be entirely possible to use the decisions of the last 20 years or so to bring a case and win on equity.

Great article.

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LOL...That is funny....Elmer Fudd rides again.

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Re: Sunday Hunting Lawsuit May Be Filed

I hate to see when wildlife management is decided in court. If Sunday hunting isn't approved, it could wind up in court. If Sunday hunting is approved, it could still wind up in court if all Sundays in all seasons aren't included in the seasons.

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Re: Sunday Hunting Lawsuit May Be Filed

A discimination case should never gain any footing in this matter. As long as the rules are the same for all, there is no discrimination.

Everybody wants to play a victim.

Are rifle hunters discriminated against by not being allowed to use them in flintlock season? No.

Am I allowed to hunt Sundays but you are not? No.
The rules are the same for everyone. No discrimination what so ever.

There are arguements for changing the current Sunday regs, but discrimination is not one of them.
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Re: Sunday Hunting Lawsuit May Be Filed

I am curious, hdt. How do you figure that those who hold the sabbath to be Saturday and not Sunday are not being discriminated against? It seems to me that they would have a really good constitutional case, since their religions are actually being subjected to what you personally believe and not them. Perhaps you would support prohibiting hunting on Saturday as well?

And how about atheists who do not believe in God? For them, Sunday has no more significance than does Wednesday. So now, how do you justify one particular religion getting to set the rules not being discrimination? What this bill would do strikes at fundamental fairness for all, regardless of their religious beliefs. If you personally believe that you should not hunt on Sunday, you will not be forced to do so.

The argument about how dangerous it is to be in the woods when hunters are about is more full of holes than a good Swiss cheese. There are no statistics that bear that one out. You can do a Google search for such statistics as prove your side of the argument. Post them if you can find them.

There is not one single state in which Sunday has become a legal day for hunting in which your gloom and doom scenario has played out. You can look as close as Ohio to see just how horrible the consequences were.

For the record, it makes no real difference to me since I am retired. I can hunt any day I choose, including Sundays for Coyote which I do. If some churches have a problem with this, that is their problem and not mine. Sorry, but them's tha facts, son. Your arguments border upon being silly.
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With all that typing, you have not said anything that makes hunting on Sunday illegal for ALL hunters in PA being discriminatory. Agueing about something other than the discrimination issue is what is silly.-- Them be the facts sonny.
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Well George, this country was founded on Christanity. As we drift away from that where are we headed? Do we scrap out laws based on the Ten Commandments and revert back to the ways things were before Christanity?

I have no desire to live under the rules of some of these other religions that would stone you to death. Allow someone to kill another for honor.

We now know where we are at and what came before, have we learned nothing from History?

What will be next, toss out the Bill of Rights and the Constitution?

Don't say these things can't happen, we are already on a slippry slope.

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