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Farm Bureau Bull

Here are some of the things the Farm Bureau said during the PCN Call In Show.

• Our folks control 80% of the huntable land in Pennsylvania (although he later tries to clarify that, sort of)
• Farmers want one day a week for their own enjoyment without fear of gunfire. Safety is always a factor- very sensitive to gunfire (In fact, they used the fear/hunting isn't safe, etc. at least 9 times in the one hour program)
• 40,000 cases of trespass not being enforced now
• Sportsmen aren’t ready to pay the bill for trespass enforcement
• What is the impact of (hunters) chasing (non-hunting) folks out of woods that are normally using them?
• Game lands are pretty well overhunted now- and you’d have a higher concentration of hunters hunting the GLs when the deer in fact are in farmers fields
• I don’t think the commissioners vote was real well received because they aren’t representing the public interest- they are representing the interest of the PGC and their interest is to have additional license sales and additional revenue, but they got way out ahead of where the public and the legislature is on this issue.
• Doesn’t the legislature have a lot more important issues to deal with?
• Once we allow one Sunday it will expand as has been evidenced in every other states
• Deer populations- I don’t know how much sportsmen are thinking about how the PGC would have to manage because where SH was implemented the deer season had to be greatly shortened. While they may be thinking they may be thinking SH would give them expanded opportunity it may result in shortened seasons. (Cites Nebraska as an example)

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• There is going to have to be some way of raising additional funds to have the additional coverage of WCOs on Sundays
• There is a lot of additional expense that comes with this thing (Sunday Hunting) and sportsmen are going to have to be the ones to pay for it. I don’t see the tax payer public wanting to pick up that tab.

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this is so full of holes its pathetic.

VERY VERY weak and I wish they would leave wildlife management out of the picture....simply has nothing to do with science.
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• 40,000 cases of trespass not being enforced now
• Sportsmen aren’t ready to pay the bill for trespass enforcement
And these are BULL how? Trespass is not enforced and just based on the comments here, a lot of "sportsmen" don't want to pay for it, either in raised fees, loss of privileges and/or real fines when caught by treating trespass hunting like the poaching it is.
The benefit to the landowner of no Sunday hunting is that when the poachers shoot one on Sunday now, the PGC and PSP will actually notice.

Varmints and small game could be allowed to be hunted on Sunday. Everyone could hunt on Sunday then, since everyone just wants to get outside, right?..... . Big game... nope. It is going to cause more problems than its worth.


BTW, I understand the the code is not written to cover poaching and the WCO's can only cover what is written in the game code, no heart ache with that. Trespass hunting is still poaching because it is the act of taking or trying to take game by illegal means.

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No, trespass is not poaching, it is a violation of the law that stands alone, no matter what the reason the trespasser is on property without permission. Poaching is the taking of game through unlawful means and durring a period of time whan the taking is not legal. Unless the law expressly dictates that trespassing while hunting is an unlawful way to take game, it is not poaching no matter how much people want it to be.




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A. trespassing is illegal, you may not go on someone else s property without license to do so. By itself it is not poaching.
B. Poaching it the taking of game by illegal means.
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C. To take game while trespassing means that you are violating the law for the expressed reason of taking game. That is poaching by definition.

A person who is trespassing and hunting is trespassing and poaching.
http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/searc...ng&FORM=DTPDIA
http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/searc...ng&FORM=DTPDIA
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Poaching?topic=49477
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Poaching
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Poaching

It is still poaching, it just isn't against the law in PA. If Schmucatelli-ville's law said it wasn't rape unless she was screaming, it is still rape by definition, just not enforced in Schmucatelli-ville.

PA is not the arbitrator of language. They just choose what to enforce. PA CHOOSES to not enforce a law against poaching in its basic form. PA, and ONLY PA, (near as I can find) chooses to separate the two when the combined action is by definition, poaching.

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Yep committing the misdemeanor crime of Agricultural trespass couldn't possibly mean that the hunter is hunting illegally. I suppose that the trespassing hunter is just hunting criminally?

Kind of ironic that a hunter can be busted because his orange hat has a logo on the front, but a hunter in the act of committing a misdemeanor crime is ok.
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No, it is not poaching in PA!! Poaching is not a legal term, it means different things to different people. Trespassing is unlawful, hunting while obeying the game and wildlife code is lawful under the game and wildlife code even if you are trespassing. You are not stealing personal property from a landowner if you trespass and hunt as in the origional meaning of the word when landowners owned the game. If you want to believe hunting while trespassing is poaching knock yourself out but in the Commonwealth of PA under the laws of the Commonwealth it is not and continuing to say it is, doesn't make it so in the real world. It matters little what Websters or any other dictionary says the word means because the law isn't enforced from a dictionary. That said, again, I certainly do not condone trespassing, for any reason and I have no empathy for an intentional trespasser who is caught and prosecuted for it and I believe our trespass laws should have more teeth. Trespassing has always been somewhat of a wink and a nod kind of thing in our state as opposed to other states and it will take laws with more teeth and vigorous enforcement and some time to change the mentality that is ingrained in many Pennsylvanians towards it. BTW, no hunter has ever been prosecuted for having a logo on the front of an orange hunting hat and the only species that requires a solid orange hat while hunting is groundhogs.




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Trespass hunting is still poaching because it is the act of taking or trying to take game by illegal means.
To you or me it might be poaching but there is no enforcement for this definition. Only enforcement for the trespassing part.

In Pennsylvania, you can hunt legally by illegally trespassing.
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Sad but true.



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