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post #1 of 106 (permalink) Old 10-06-2011, 08:48 AM Thread Starter
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HB 1417 Assault WCO - Game and Fish

Here is a bill that needs all of our support now and right up to final passage.

This bill installs the same penalties for assault on a WCO as other LE, judges, firefighters, teachers, and a host of others.

The bill also addresses the fines and penalties for threatened or endangered birds, and drinking and hunting.


To read the actual language, click below, then on the highest printer number:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...type=B&bn=1417



This bill has a ways to go. It has passed the House G&F Committee, so our strong support of this bill will get it going.

This is one of those bills that it is up to sportsmen to make it happen. To that end, ask friends and family to let legislators know they want this bill to pass.

It is somehow appropriate that this bill is starting to move now: as we near the first anniversary of the death of WCO Dave Grove.


I can think of no better tribute than a robust show of support on this bill in his honor.


Guys - lets get it done~

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post #2 of 106 (permalink) Old 10-06-2011, 11:44 AM
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Re: HB 1417 Assault WCO - Game and Fish

Why should spitting on a LEO be any greater a fine and penalty than for doing the same to any non-Leo?

We have and are creating a class of super special citizens who get special protection under the law. If a person slaps an officer it is a misdemeanor or felony, if they slap you or I, it is only summary harrassment. That is simply not right. It is a violation of the equal protection clause of the US Constitution. I am really tired of hearing of instances in which an innocent person is treated roughly by police soley to see if they can get the person to take a swing or resist arrest and tack on real charges to the improper arrest. While I agree that it is a slim minority of the LEOs that do such a thing, I have seen it first hand, been the subject of such attempts and read about too many such cases in the paper. It was on the news this am, that a guy called the police about being harassed by his neighbor the police said when they got there the victim was unruly and that he resisted arrest (For what? The police didn't say). They tazed the guy and his head hit the curb, he died. State police are now investigating the local police. (May well be lots of sweeping going on)

An assault or attack should be absolutely the same charge, penalty and fine, regardless of the victim. What makes a average joe so invaluable to society that a crime against him is neglible, but the same crime against a Judge or LEO is a felony? We are either equal as citizens or we are not. Giving the police and LEO's such special protection is indicative of a police state.

The murders of WCO Grove are getting their due. This bill will do absolutely nothing different for situations like that. The shooter was prohibited from even possessing firearms and AIR, was on probation. He panicked about going back to jail. He will pay!
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Re: HB 1417 Assault WCO - Game and Fish

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Why should spitting on a LEO be any greater a fine and penalty than for doing the same to any non-Leo?
Because the days of someone gettin the wooden shampoo for spittin on a cop are long gone.....

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Re: HB 1417 Assault WCO - Game and Fish

PGC WCOs do not currently have the same "protection" as all other LEOs do, in PA. That is why. This bill grants them what every other officer already has.

Most could presume that those who have so little respect for the law and law enforcement as to attack LEOs, that such folks present even more of a danger to the public?

That is the reasoning for attaching additional penalties for resisting arrest/injuring LEOs in the performance of their duties.

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Re: HB 1417 Assault WCO - Game and Fish

But they have the same protection as you , I and every other citizen of this country so whats the point of another law that basically is unconstitutional.
Its the same as hate crime laws, they are ridicules, murder is murder and whom the victim is should have no bearing on the sentence received by the one who did the killing .
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Where has it ever been proven that laws assessing additional penalties for resisting arrest or attacking an LEO in the performance of their duties, were "unconstitutional"???

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Where has it ever been proven that laws assessing additional penalties for resisting arrest or attacking an LEO in the performance of their duties, were "unconstitutional"???
What your questioning is that some nut job strung out on meth should some how receive a stiffer sentence for beating on a cop than he should get for beating on your wife, child? Yes I do see such a law as being unconstitutional.
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It is not unconstitutional, it is a law passed by the general assembly to deter people from attacking those who are charged with enforcing the laws that protect society. When someone assaults a law enforcement officer who is doing their duty they are attacking society as a whole. It is not a hard concept to understand, if you want to.




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They wont understand John, because they have never been there, in any situation like that. I can see zimmer's point since he is a lawyer and well, he has to think that way, but everything else just sounds like anti-leo rhetoric.

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He is not a lawyer.




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