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post #1 of 146 (permalink) Old 10-03-2011, 01:26 PM Thread Starter
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SH bill recives more criticism


By Bob Frye, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, October 3, 2011

A former Pennsylvania Game Commissioner has brought some new information to the debate about whether to legalize Sunday hunting.

Russ Schleiden of Centre County said he's unhappy that House Bill 1760 says the commission "shall institute Sunday hunting" and "shall promulgate appropriate regulations" within one year of the bill's passage.

"That's mandating them to do it. The only thing left to do is decide if it's going to be for deer or small game or some other species or whatever," Schleiden said. "If they don't change that word 'shall,' they really are superseding the commission."

John Kline, representing the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance — one of the groups that are part of the state's Sunday hunting coalition — said the wording could be changed. But, either way, he expressed confidence that the bill will pass, in a tough fight, because of fairness and the question of whether the state can prohibit people from using their own land on Sundays.

"It's a private property issue, is what this is going to come down to," Kline said



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post #2 of 146 (permalink) Old 10-03-2011, 01:53 PM
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The wording of the SH bill is being criticized, not SH itself.

Let's call a spade a spade.
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That's what Bluetick pointed out in the very beginning. It is a mandate.
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The wording of the SH bill is being criticized, not SH itself.

Let's call a spade a spade.
I'm not a lawyer, but the way it reads to me is, if the PGC sets a season for whatever, the sundays have to be included.
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The wording of the SH bill is being criticized, not SH itself.

Let's call a spade a spade.
my apologiesd Mr. Plank. A spade is a spade

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The mandate in the bill is and will continue to be an issue for many in lending any support to the bill.

Is your position a short term gain - or a long term loss? Separate the issues.
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Only fools see it as an "all in" mandate.

The PSFC rep was berated at the first hearing for them insinuating that the Legislature was madating seasons. He was told, quite frankly, that it was not their intent to do so.

Schleiden, in bed with the Pres of the PSFC, is simply speaking as a mouthpiece of the PFSC here.

The Commission and the Commisioners in support of this bill, have NO qualms about the language. The Commissioners can make SH legal for squirrels for 2 weeks in October, if they want to, and fulfill the mandate of the bill.



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Differnce in opinion. I think otherwise. it appears other do as well.

It's politics, don't get wedded to a hard fast position. The goal is to get most of what you want and the ability to improve at a later date.

In this case, the change of a few words will garner a lot of support that is missing.


Like you, I am all in for SH, more to the point, the GC habving the final say on when and for what. The details on that and how it is implemented mater to me - and others.

So if the fool adjective applies, so be it. Doesn't change my point of view or my efforts to change a wrong - as I see it, and for those that agree with me.

Is your position a short term gain - or a long term loss? Separate the issues.
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Dutch, I don't care what some legislator says about his intent. Words means specific things and that bill clearly says the PGC shall, within a period of time write regulations to have Sunday hunting. Russ is absolutly right. If that bill becomes law, the PGC will have no choice other than initiate more Sunday hunting than what we have now. The wording is "shall", not they "May". The bill is poorly worded and should be amended as it goes through the process.




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Yep, a 2 Sunday squirrel season in October will fullfill it.



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