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Why Does the PGC Need More...$$$' ?

The PGC has endorsed a SH Bill.

The PGC, a self-proclaimed agency in desperate needs of assets and additional funding is supporting a SH Bill that would introduce additional operating costs and overhead to an already burdened agency.

If approved, what sacrifice will we as the end user be forced to accept? Where will the cuts be made to existing programs and associated programs, staffing and equipment? I'm concerned that as a self-funded agency that is admittedly over-burdened currently, why would they endorse an increased workload? To do more ineffectively?

Hunter numbers have drastically dwindled, but yet services have not. A company for example, bases operating needs on demand of their product. Demand,or hunter numbers, has been reduced by double digit percentages yet the performance is still lack-luster by the PGC. WCO's covering 100's of square miles of district. So of course, the logical answer, "give us more work", doesn't seem to be a reasonable and prudent solution. In fact, one could easily surmise an exasperation to an already existing problem.

In real life and in private entities, when your demand falters from 1.1 million widgets to 800,000 widgets managements adjustments are made. I don't think I ever recall being asked to work Sunday when my former employer's product was in low demand?

To be fair, obviously it is their hopes that through the marketing of SH the demand for product will increase greater than the costs of providing that product. An admirable plan. In reality, is it really going to bring on 300,000 hunters or is it really just to give the current 800,000 an extra day so that they can get THEIR game that they are seeking?

I have read 100's of posts on multiple threads relating to SH. I have yet to read a post from a person that currently does NOT hunt that WILL hunt if SH is approved. So let'sbe honest here. Is it REALLY about bringing back all those lost souls to the ranks of taking afield? Or, is it about just appeasing those that currently hunt and find it difficult to harvest their quarry and want more opportunity?

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Re: Why Does the PGC Need More...$$$' ?

And "hundreds" of times WCOs have told this board they already work Sundays so there would be no added costs.

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Re: Why Does the PGC Need More...$$$' ?

while i agree the GC is in need of funds, and i'd rather see an increase.

the sunday hunting deal has nothing at all to do with kids, soccer dads or people who work on saturday.

its all about the dollar, and everyone who can pass this bill knows that. thats why it will fail to pass.

the saturday bear opener is just the gate unlocking for sunday bear hunting. so thats why a lot i know wrote in against it. and why i did also.

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Re: Why Does the PGC Need More...$$$' ?

'Appeasing those that currently hunt'

Proper marketing strategy if this be their ploy. It is BY FAR easier to keep clientele that one already has by keeping them happy than try to generate new.
Either way the vote goes, is it going to drastically change current hunters desire to be in the outdoors or to harvest an animal? Probably not. I doubt ANYBODY is going to start/stop hunting simply because SH is now open. If someone does quit and use this as a scapegoat excuse, I'd bet there are ulterior motives like the infamous 'ain't no deer left in Pa'

Like GAL said, definitely no added cost. WCOs still work that LONE day hunting is largely closed. Laws are still broken, poachers still poach EVEN on SUNDAY when everyone should be in church and spending quality time with their families...
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Re: Why Does the PGC Need More...$$$' ?

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And "hundreds" of times WCOs have told this board they already work Sundays so there would be no added costs.
Yes Gal, we all know some of them do work on Sundays. But I think it's been accepted that it's usually a day off for most. If general Sunday hunting is allowed, they are going to have to spend more hours on Sundays patrolling. Since they are only allowed a small amount of overtime, those hours are going to have to come from somewhere. Is it not possible that in order to patrol on a given Sunday, they might be forced to give up the time necessary to do a school program (or some other educational program) on the previous Wednesday? If they spend more hours doing one thing, then they will have to spend less doing another.

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Re: Why Does the PGC Need More...$$$' ?

A self proclaimed agency? Really? What a convoluted assumption on motives from someone who doesn't have a clue but likes to see himself in print.




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Look, I am not promoting Sunday hunting but the work load thing is bogus. Officers work a certain number of hours a week, it matters little if those hours are on week days or week end days. They have two days a week off, it isn't going to matter which two, it doesn't matter which two now with 6 days of hunting. It is all a matter of scheduling.




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And here I thought the main reason was they gave JohnS a COLA on his pension...

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Fat chance of that happening.




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Re: Why Does the PGC Need More...$$$' ?

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Look, I am not promoting Sunday hunting but the work load thing is bogus.
I will disagree. If their work load mandates a certain amount of overtime now, adding to it by opening sunday hunting will create issues. Unless you're saying our officers are getting paid to sit on their hind ends now, then of course adding to their day won't be a problem.
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