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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-13-2017, 03:40 PM Thread Starter
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There are two scientists from the University of Pittsburg who have a published article on the Wild Turkey and the damage they are doing to forests. Anyone read it or have a link?


It came to my attention as todays Ottawa Citizen has an article on the 2 scientists. The wild turkey population is on the rise in Ontario and the two scientist claim turkeys are damaging forests in Pa.

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post #3 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-15-2017, 05:45 PM
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Absolutely no scientific research in that article.......
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Absolutely no scientific research in that article.......

The OC article referenced another published article the two scientists wrote.. I was wondering if anyone had read that. Personally, I think you would have to have a lot more turkeys than we do to cause the level of harm they claim.


The OC article spoke of turkeys being released in Renfrew County. This hit me because I was talking to a Ministry employee and two locals at the time they were doing it. I had property close to where the birds were released. At the time I told them I didn't think it would go well due to the harsh winters they receive in Renfrew County. Happy to be wrong... There was great hunting interest expressed by the Canadian hunters that I knew. Knowing I was from Pa they had a lot of questions about turkey hunting.


What ever happened to the theory that disturbing the soil to jump start the dormant seed base was a good thing? That's all we heard about for some time before and during the peak of HR.
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If they published the location of the area so heavily over-populated with turkeys on this website, it might solve the over-population problem. :-o
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That writer OBVIOUSLY had an agenda and scraped so far through the bottom of the barrel to find supporting evidence that he drained the barrel. He offered that there were fewer turkey predators in urban and suburban areas which allowed the turkey population to explode and cause greater damage to "THE FOREST." So, "the forest" in urban and suburban areas had more damage from turkeys. What forest is there in urban and suburban areas?

Anti-hunters have very consistent, and asinine, views of wildlife that are becoming more and more obvious. They are universally in favor of establishing large populations of predators that prey upon, and reduce the numbers of game animals. They are, likewise, universally opposed to any measures that promote the expansion of numbers of game animals like turkeys. These people should be exposed for the charlatans that they are. The two chaps from Pittsburgh were described as "scientists," not wildlife management professionals. That terminology chosen by the article writer says a lot both about the degree of credibility that should be given to the Pittsburgh chaps and to the motives of the writer.
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The more I read that article, the more angry I get.
Just what are the credentials of the U. of Pitt "scientists" who are raising all the fuss? Pitt does NOT have a Wildlife Management, Animal Husbandry, or Forestry curriculum. They never have.
The article writer is right with them bellowing of the egregious harm that MIGHT be caused by turkeys with the justification that we DON'T know what actual harm could be caused by propagating such game animals. Did they ring the bell of doom when wolves, cougars, grizzly bears, and all the various birds of prey were given widespread re-introductions before all the actual impact that they MIGHT have to the ecosystem was known? Darn right they didn't. This is just another warning of what will happen to the wilds when wildlife management decisions are made by political hacks with an agenda rather than by wildlife professionals who actually know something about what they speak.
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What would you expect from left wing college professors! Remember, these kind of people are educating our young people.
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I think 2 Canadian turkeys may have migrated south.
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The more I read that article, the more angry I get.
Just what are the credentials of the U. of Pitt "scientists" who are raising all the fuss? Pitt does NOT have a Wildlife Management, Animal Husbandry, or Forestry curriculum. They never have.
The article writer is right with them bellowing of the egregious harm that MIGHT be caused by turkeys with the justification that we DON'T know what actual harm could be caused by propagating such game animals. Did they ring the bell of doom when wolves, cougars, grizzly bears, and all the various birds of prey were given widespread re-introductions before all the actual impact that they MIGHT have to the ecosystem was known? Darn right they didn't. This is just another warning of what will happen to the wilds when wildlife management decisions are made by political hacks with an agenda rather than by wildlife professionals who actually know something about what they speak.

The Ministry of Natural Resources is not a separate agency. Comparing it to our DCNR is more accurate. The experts at the Ministry didn't agree with the theory. So to draw the conclusion that it is either a separate agency.... or Armageddon at the hands of politicians, is akin to the theory that wild turkeys are destroying forests.
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