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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-06-2010, 09:55 PM Thread Starter
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Frontenac fowlers-Jay Barnes

Just to give you some history..... I posted last week that I had a deer hunt with a finger lakes guide in NY and I would post again to let you all know about it. I also said I would wait to post about the hunt until I had e mailed or spoke to the guide. I gave him a week and have not heard back from him so I figured either he doesn't care or he agrees with my assessment since I wrote him a detailed e mail so here goes....

I Booked a hunt with Jay Barnes of Frontenac Fowlers in Union Springs NY-it's the finger lakes region. I had heard great things about that part of the state due to a number of factors, low pressure, food sources, cover etc. Add to that this year we lost our land to hunt on and I was excited about trying a new place in an area that had potential. I spoke to Jay-the owner and guide and we agreed on a price and days to be hunted. It would be for three days-opening day and the 2 following days. We agreed that no lodging or food would be provided. We agreed that it would be for $450. I sent Jay the deposit and waited till the trip. We spoke a couple of times and Jay seemed nice enough and also seemed to have confidence in his ability to put you on deer and also of the size of the deer. We last spoke a few days before the hunt and it was set that I would get to the area on the day before and Jay and I would hook up. I arrived and checked into my hotel. I spoke to Jay and he informed me he was busy running around and also making sausage soup. We agreed to meet at his house the next morning at 515 where I would follow him in my vehicle to the farm I would hunt. Jay had said, and I think his website says, he has 600 acres for deer hunting. Opening morning I get to Jays house at 515am and wait for Jay to come out at about 525, we chat and load up his polaris and head out. I follow him to the farm where I then get into the polaris and ride about 300 yards to the corner of a cut corn field. Jay then tells me he didnt have time to mark the path to the stand I would be hunting but "its easy to find" I get out and try finding the stand. I cant find the stand since its dark, Im on land Ive never hunted, and its not marked in anyway at all. I am not new to hunting, Ive been doing it for over 30 years and gone on 13 guided hunts...definately not my first rodeo. I call Jay 3 times. He does answer all 3 times but he doesnt offer to come back, afterall it is opening day and I guess its more important that he hunt rather than put a paying customer (me) on the stand and provide the hunt Im paying for. He does say on one conversation that he knows the woods like the back of his hand and the place is loaded with deer-not to worry. I already start to wonder what Im paying for if the owner/guide cant get me to a stand for opening day. I finally find my stand around 8-815 am. I call to tell him and he sounds relieved. I see one small scrappy 3 point buck but I dont shoot since Jay says there are plenty of deer in the area and he has a policy of outside the ears. Im ok with the policy by the way. I want to see deer and shoot a nice sized buck. Thats it for the rest of the day. Jay apologizes and asks what Im doing for dinner I tell him I guess going out. He says he feels horrible about the morning and makes an offer to go eat together-Im alone so why not. Check comes for dinner and Jay offers to treat (total bill with cocktail is $60) I say no thanks-put me on deer and all will be forgotten. Next day-same thing-I meet Jay at his house follow him to farm get in polaris and ride to back of the same field I got lost in day before. I find my stand with no problem (I marked in on way out the night before) See no deer all day. At 245 Jay calls and asks what Ive seen. I tell him nothing at all and he offers to move me. My thinking was no-not at 245- I'd maybe in my stand for 315 and sundown is at like 435 440 so I didnt want to move for an hour and a half...See nothing for rest of that day. Totally frustrated at this point. I meet Jay who proceeds to tell me about himself and his 2 friends who have been seeing big deer over the last 2 days, 1 of his friends got a monster 10 pointer. I start to wonder why me-the paying customer is sitting in the same small woodlot in the same corner of the same cut cornfield for 2 days when Jay is supposed to have 600 acres to hunt on and him and his buddies are seeing deer and shooting deer. Jay offer to go to dinner again but at this point I realize Im paying for Jay and his buddies to hunt while I watch bluejays and dont see deer and Jays remedy is to go to dinner together. I tell Jay Im leaving a day early. He doesnt seem upset but does offer to "give me a great price on a duck hunt next year" yeah right I'm figuring. I leave the next morning, a day early after seeing only 1 deer-the 3 pointer and about 10 acres of the supposed 600 acres he has all the while him and his friends are shooting deer. I did everything I was supposed to do. I peed in a bottle, kept my movement to a minimum, I dont smoke, in short I know how to hunt. I e mailed Jay exactly how I felt and what I thought and gave him time to reply to see if we had different views of what happened but he has not, in my follow up e mail when I told him I would post up my story about the hunt I also told him I thought it was ridiculous and avoiding the problem by not getting in touch with me to discuss it but he still doesnt respond so Im doing like I told him I would and post up about my hunt and I would also e mail him the links to where I posted so if he want to respond he can. Sorry this is so long but I wanted to get all the facts and the story straight.

In short STAY AWAY FROM JAY BARNES AND FRONTECAC FOWLERS unless you want to pay for Jay to hunt while you tree watch

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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-06-2010, 10:16 PM
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Re: Frontenac fowlers-Jay Barnes

Sounds like you did all you could and thanks for heads up on a poor guide.

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Re: Frontenac fowlers-Jay Barnes

Always, always, always ask for a bunch of local references.
Meet with them and really discuss their experiences.
Sounds like a silver tongue huckster.....
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post #4 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-06-2010, 11:12 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Frontenac fowlers-Jay Barnes

Artsmag10. Ive been on a bunch of guided hunts-some I knew were low budget and some I paid a nice chunk for some Ive been sucessful and thought it was not up to par and some Ive been unsuccessful and had a greast time. I always check references....except this time. I'm wrong for that but I lost my usual place to hunt and needed something last minute for opening day-not exactly the easiest time to find a spot but you are right

rflktrman-my job now is to warn others about this service. Like I said he seemed like a decent person and I understand the fact that things go wrong but I dont get the fact that we're supposed to be adults and I told him exactly what I was going to do and still heard nothing back from him. That to me is childish and unprofessional.

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post #5 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-07-2010, 01:27 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Frontenac fowlers-Jay Barnes

Funny thing happened on my way to my e mail..... After posting on 5 different websites the same review of my hunt with Jay Barnes of Frontenac Fowlers that I posted here I get a reply to one of my e mails to Jay. It simplely stated "I will call you within a week !" I htought it was kinda funny it took this to make him respond, I will let you know what happens but it is funny NOW he wants to talk... I welcome it !

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Re: Frontenac fowlers-Jay Barnes

I hate to see guys fuss because they didnt see deer. So many things can happen or change things that a guide has no control over. A friend of mine took over my part of an Ohio lease. A spot where I saw lots of deer. There is 2 other guys on the lease. The first day one guy killed a ten point and saw two eights and a six. The other guy missed two or three shooters and saw a bunch of deer all week. My buddy from my spot didnt see a deer all week despite being 200yds from all the action. Great farm and good stand but for some reason the deer stayed out of that funnel all week. Nobodies fault it just happens.

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Re: Frontenac fowlers-Jay Barnes

I wish I could have warned you before you gave him your money.I know him and he's prolly the poorest hunter/outifitter in new york state.

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